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The Fate of Enterprise, CV-65.

Acenos

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So what happened to CV-65 during the course of WW3? Did it survive well into the formation of the Federation or was it destroyed in WW3 and is probably or likely sitting at the bottom of the ocean for the rest of the timeline?


I lean towards the latter...
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I know that this is the USS Yorktown, but I'm posting this image for the sake of context.
 
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In the novels she's sunk fighting the Khanate forces in the Sea of Japan, IIRC? In the 90s, the Eugenics Wars. She didn't even make it to WW3 (and hell ours didn't either, the Gerald Ford CVN-80 will reach that timeframe).
 
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In the novels she's sunk fighting the Khanate forces in the Sea of Japan, IIRC? In the 90s, the Eugenics Wars. She didn't even make it to WW3 (and hell ours didn't either, the Gerald Ford CVN-80 will reach that timeframe).
what will be the Fate of CV-80 in that universe?
 
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what will be the Fate of CV-80 in that universe?

WW3 is so nebulous in Star Trek; and it's hard to tell. Even Memory Beta stuff doesn't talk much about any published lore or battles.

The fates of carriers in battle are probably going to be sunk by a sub, sunk by some aerial attack - manned, unmanned, or mass missile - or nuclear strike, either aerial or submarine.

My bet is the CVN-80 is nuked when it goes back to Norfolk or somesuch; but there's nothing written either in beta lore or alpha lore, mind.
 
So what happened to CV-65 during the course of WW3? Did it survive well into the formation of the Federation or was it destroyed in WW3 and is probably or likely sitting at the bottom of the ocean for the rest of the timeline?


I lean towards the latter...
f70c9fdef46a41ec42497e1bdc43e207.jpg

I know that this is the USS Yorktown, but I'm posting this image for the sake of context.

The eight reactors of CVN 65 have been defueled. The anchors have been removed and transferred to the Nimitz class USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72). CVN 65 is being stored in Hampton Roads until the Navy until further information on "more technically executable, environmentally responsible" approaches to disposing of the aircraft carrier are available. The Navy would like to recycle the steel of CVN 65 to make the Ford class Enterprise (CVN 80).

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The last carrier to still have bridle catchers.
 
The eight reactors of CVN 65 have been defueled. The anchors have been removed and transferred to the Nimitz class USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72). CVN 65 is being stored in Hampton Roads until the Navy until further information on "more technically executable, environmentally responsible" approaches to disposing of the aircraft carrier are available. The Navy would like to recycle the steel of CVN 65 to make the Ford class Enterprise (CVN 80).

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The last carrier to still have bridle catchers.
Do you understand we're talking about what may have happened to CVN-65 in the Star Trek universe, not real life? There were the Eugenics Wars and WWIII around the 1990s, where she may have fought, in the Star Trek universe. Not real life.
 
Do you understand we're talking about what may have happened to CVN-65 in the Star Trek universe, not real life? There were the Eugenics Wars and WWIII around the 1990s, where she may have fought, in the Star Trek universe. Not real life.

Is that what this thread is about?

Gee, I've been wondering what happened to Enterprise Rent-A-Car during the Eugenics war...

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Going by Star Trek Terms, the CV-65 was already in service in 1986. I doubt it would still be in service in World War III. According to Star Trek: First Contact, WWIII ended in 2053. So it's a Mid-21st Century war, not the Early-21st Century or 1990s.
 
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What to make of the looks of the ship?

We see artwork in which the ship labeled CVN-65 retains the square SCANFAR radar arrays around the island (Archer's ready room), and artwork of a nameless, registry-less ship with SCANFAR (Picard's lounge), both without a timestamp. We also see up close a ship labeled CVN-65 without SCANFAR, with a Forrestal-style bridge instead (ST4:TVH), in the eighties.

In our reality, USN never wanted to cough up the dough for removing the SCANFAR supports even though the old radar itself was long gone. In the Trek reality, they may have. Or then their CVN-65 was completed without the structures, but sometime post-1980s the USN added supermodern electronically scanning radar systems to the island, incidentally looking a lot like our old SCANFAR.

We might speculate that our future artwork depicts the flat-panel island version of the ship because it was in that configuration that she performed the heroic feats for which she is remembered (and indeed considered even more worthy of immortalizing in decorative art than the old CV-6, which did all right in WWII but only ever got that one appearance in TMP). And we can thus choose between pre-1980s and post-1980s.

Might be it's easier to outdo CV-6 post-1980s, if there's war like never before. And the one thing we can rule out is there having been an additional World War before the 1980s but after WWII and CV-6, because the running number is only up to III when Man finally stops fighting Man.

OTOH and IMHO it would be a good idea to extend the service life of CVN-65 to the 21st century, so that she can assuredly take part in WWIII, even if we decide the Eugenics War/s was/were a completely separate thing. All the more glory to the ship, then; a longer stretch of her life spent in that cube-island configuration; and an opportunity for more interesting death scenes involving futuristic weapons.

Timo Saloniemi
 
What to make of the looks of the ship?

We see artwork in which the ship labeled CVN-65 retains the square SCANFAR radar arrays around the island (Archer's ready room), and artwork of a nameless, registry-less ship with SCANFAR (Picard's lounge), both without a timestamp. We also see up close a ship labeled CVN-65 without SCANFAR, with a Forrestal-style bridge instead (ST4:TVH), in the eighties.

In our reality, USN never wanted to cough up the dough for removing the SCANFAR supports even though the old radar itself was long gone. In the Trek reality, they may have. Or then their CVN-65 was completed without the structures, but sometime post-1980s the USN added supermodern electronically scanning radar systems to the island, incidentally looking a lot like our old SCANFAR.

We might speculate that our future artwork depicts the flat-panel island version of the ship because it was in that configuration that she performed the heroic feats for which she is remembered (and indeed considered even more worthy of immortalizing in decorative art than the old CV-6, which did all right in WWII but only ever got that one appearance in TMP). And we can thus choose between pre-1980s and post-1980s.

Might be it's easier to outdo CV-6 post-1980s, if there's war like never before. And the one thing we can rule out is there having been an additional World War before the 1980s but after WWII and CV-6, because the running number is only up to III when Man finally stops fighting Man.

OTOH and IMHO it would be a good idea to extend the service life of CVN-65 to the 21st century, so that she can assuredly take part in WWIII, even if we decide the Eugenics War/s was/were a completely separate thing. All the more glory to the ship, then; a longer stretch of her life spent in that cube-island configuration; and an opportunity for more interesting death scenes involving futuristic weapons.

Timo Saloniemi
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
 
After VOY's "Future's End" two-parter, I took the view that the United States was spared the worst of the Eugenics Wars, but took it on the chin during World War III. Not necessarily where all of the US was Mad Max, but bad enough that a lot of the infrastructure crashed and its economy tanked. Even if Enterprise CVN-80 survived WW3, if the US economy was in tatters entering the post-atomic horror, it may not have been able to afford to keep her operational afterward, IMO.
 
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