Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x07 - "Much Ado About Boimler"
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See, this is where my comments come from. Everyone ELSE did something wrong, not Mariner. I mean, everyone slipped up just by presumably behaving the way the normally have with no problems in the past. But, Mariner intentionally messing up and forgetting equipment? Perfectly fine and not deserving of criticism.
This is where my "bestest ever!" Stance comes from because even when she intentionally screws things up people are okay with it.
^ I'm curious, what are some of the sitcoms or comedies you are enjoying? Personally, I'm loving shows like Frasier or Seinfeld, where someone lying to their loved ones or friends and thus setting in motion a complicated farce of lies that only gets worse before the character finally comes clean and everything is forgiven basically describes the majority of their plots. Why shouldn't that work on Trek without the audience starting to reject that character?
Well usually in these comedies the character
a) apologies for what s/he did.
or
b) had an excellent reason to do what s/he did
and usually
c) understand that what s/he did was wrong.
Nothing of that happens in the episode.
We should make sure everyone’s buttholes are puckered to Starfleet specifications!
Hijinks would not ensue.
You’re missing d) the characters/audience walk away with an understanding of the actions that happened.
Thing is, in those shows I can admit the characters are assholes or make mistakes even when they don't admit it or make excuses. Here, it seems people want to defend Mariner at all ends instead of admitting she's a fuck up who potentially endangered people.
George Costanza is a tremendous ass who put his own interests and goals over others and its funny and I can admit that.
Now, admit the same for Mariner and stop saying what she did was fine and everyone else around her was the fuck-up.
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Who has ever said that?
Ensign Mariner is a tremendous ass who put her own interests and goals over others and it’s funny and I can admit that.
I don't know who said that, but I certainly didn't.
Who said that the people around her were fuck-ups? I think you’re really having trouble understanding what people are posting...
LD is Seinfeld only we have yet to find out which character is Kenny Bania. 
Why would it matter what they say?
^^^ Precisely.
I don't think it matters, really, but just pointing out that there are people who have said it.
I haven't defended Mariner once. She's an intentional screw-up. She's the opposite of everyone who wants to climb up the ranks.
I've been watching comedies for 40 years. All my life. People do stupid things in comedies. If this were happening in Discovery or Picard, I'd take more issue with it. But it's a comedy, so I don't. This is the first time Star Trek's expanded -- as a series -- into a different genre. So, naturally, it's not going to be like the other series.
If we just look at episodes: most Ferengi episodes are pretty stupid if you take them seriously. But I don't. TVH is pretty silly. "A Fistful of Datas" (TNG) is ridiculous. It's also ridiculous fun, so there you go. Same deal with "A Piece of the Action" (TOS), if we're being honest.
Lower Decks isn't like The Orville where it was advertised as a comedy but is actually more a serious series with some jokes thrown in. Lower Decks actually is a comedy.
That was a holster velcroed to the side of his TNG uniform.
TOS had more practical storage for sidearms. First they had those wraparound belts and then a patch of velcro that phasers usually stayed adhered to. TNG may have been a technological leap for the franchise in most respects but when it came to how officers carried phasers it was a step backwards.
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