Nonsense. Whedon had no clue about how to handle the property, and all that had been set in motion in the other films. Instead, he tried to MCU-ize the film, which is why it failed in spectacular fashion.
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Nonsense. Whedon had no clue about how to handle the property, and all that had been set in motion in the other films. Instead, he tried to MCU-ize the film, which is why it failed in spectacular fashion.
Estimated (by Deadline Hollywood) $74 million in profit is a disaster I wouldn't mind having.
(Disappointment by WB? sure, I can believe that. But to use the term "disaster" is being dishonest at best)
Which was probably his direction.
WB failed the property in more than one way.
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^ He means Shazam! is a creative disaster, because it’s not a miserable Snyderesque dirge. 
I'm convinced too. I think it's pretty clear at this point that they've moved away from the Snyder style and are sticking to the lighter, more colorful approach, that we've seen in things like Aquaman, Shazam, and Birds of Prey, and which it looks like we'll be seeing in WW84 and The Suicide Squad.
The Batman is taking a darker approach, but 1) that is set in it's own seperate universe, and 2) even though it's darker, it's taking a very different approach to thing from the one Snyder did in his movies.
^ I'm convinced also!
Joss Whedon certainly understands the property better than Zack Snyder could ever hope to. Unfortunately, he was saddled with trying to make something out of Snyder's narrative mess. It's a shame he wasn't able to start fresh with his own take on the story and characters.
Yeah. If Whedon could have made his own Justice League film from scratch, it probably would have been very good or even great. Instead he had to take what Snyder had started and try to turn it into something that wasn't awful grimdark trash. He did as well as I think anyone could have in his attempt to make Snyder's Justice League into a watchable film, but he was never going to be able to do something all that good, since he was working with a lot of shit from Snyder that had to be used.
We only got a early draft of his Wonder Woman idea. I didn't think it was terrible but it still need much more work before being ready to become a movie of course. Joss Whedon actually made Justice League into a decent movie that just kind of feels irrelevant now that the connected universe it seems is going to get a Flashpoint makeover.
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Whedon did his job, the WB wanted what Disney/Marvel currently have and desperately hoped to repeat it. The problem was Snyder developed a very grim universe which wasn't fun and took itself waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously. I wish what happened to Snyder and his family didn't happened so he could have saw his vision through. It's possible his world was meant to start dark and slowly enter the light. With further movies it would end up being the DC world I knew of.
Yeah, that one was a bummer, even if I do still think Miller was casting the JL way too young for (what I can remember of) the story he wanted to tell.
This is a complete and utter lie.
There's a major problem with this narrative that WB fired Snyder and brought in Whedon: he (Snyder) was legally entitled to remain credited as Justice League's official director as per Director's Guild of America regulations and guidelines, meaning that Snyder had to consent to Whedon receiving credit in his place (regardless of what he may have subsequently claimed).
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Uh, ... Snyder was credited as director on the theatrical version, Whedon went uncredited.
And even if that wasn't the case, would it be so inconcievable for Snyder to go "What, you're totally re-shooting all this in a different way with a different director? Well, take my name off it, I don't want to be associated with that"?
Well, I've never known kirk55555 to ever write someone else's opinion. I rarely agree with him, but I usually enjoy reading it.
If I came here to only read posts that completely agreed with me, I'd just be masturbating.
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I think they should have just scrapped everything Snyder did, and set the JL movie on a different Earth so the characters could have been in character and right. It was almost like when Star Trek hired good writers in the final season of Enterprise. Their talent couldn't clean up the mess of the show.
I'm happy for the Snyder fans that they are getting the cut of the movie they want. I wasn't particularly in to the theatrical cut. But to me, the trailer for this version looks like pretentious dreck. I might watch it someday if my wife and I decide to get HBOMax, but I'm not going to go out of my way for it.
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@Kai "the spy" I had forgotten that Whedon only ended up with a writing credit on JL, but my larger point was that DGA regulations poke holes in the idea that Warner Bros. fired Snyder because they were unhappy with his vision for the DCEU and brought Joss in to 'fix' things because, if said idea was true, it yielded them absolutely nothing.
And, yes, Snyder had the option, under DGA regulations, of having his name removed from the film through arbitration, but did not exercise said option.
@LaxScrutiny @kirk55555 states everything that he thinks as if it's indisputable fact. He can believe whatever he wants about Snyder's DCEU films, but his beliefs acre contradicted by cold hard facts.
And, yes, Snyder had the option, under DGA regulations, of having his name removed from the film through arbitration, but did not exercise said option.
@LaxScrutiny @kirk55555 states everything that he thinks as if it's indisputable fact. He can believe whatever he wants about Snyder's DCEU films, but his beliefs acre contradicted by cold hard facts.
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LOL - yeah right. WB isn't in the habit of making sequels to flops; and this one got a big sequel. It was VERY PROFITABLE for them based on the budget it was made and released on. And hell, I'm not a Shazam fan, nor did I care much for the film myself (if had a few enjoyable bits); but to say it was a disaster when it clearly wasn't is just being blind to the facts.
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