So how important is canon, then?
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Seriously, don’t any of you people have jobs?
Stay at home Dad here.
One more... no wonder Vulcan males are grumpy during Pon Farr, if they only get it every seven years their prostates are likely the size of watermelons!
The salmon analogy pretty much begins and ends with the drive to reproduce.
No, my logic is Vulcanss express affection using the touching of finger tips.
Yeah, not sure attributing a woman's ( even a fictional alien one) sexual expression to being an ex-drug addict is a good path to go down.
T'pol said it's an an aspect of humanity she's been wanting to explore since she left the High Command, which would be before she even served on the Enterprise
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Considering that Vulcan touch-telepathy works through their fingertips, such physical contact could actually be quite intense.
Maybe somebody already mentioned that in the last couple pages, I'm just kind of jumping in here out of nowhere.
I always thought it was a little weird that Spock and the Romulan commander made the LLAP sign when they were touching hands, though.
Kor
Maybe somebody already mentioned that in the last couple pages, I'm just kind of jumping in here out of nowhere.
I always thought it was a little weird that Spock and the Romulan commander made the LLAP sign when they were touching hands, though.
Kor
"A common misconception associated with the series (and Spock in particular) is that Vulcans only have sex once every seven years. However, pon farr is not coincident with the sex lives of Vulcans, and they are able to have intercourse without the affliction, and thus more than once every seven years. Star Trek: The Original Series writer and continuity story editor D. C. Fontana explains that pon farr is not the only time that Vulcans feel sexual desire or engage in sexual activity:
Vulcans mate normally any time they want to. However, every seven years you do the ritual, the ceremony, the whole thing. The biological urge. You must, but any other time is any other emotion—humanoid emotion—when you're in love. When you want to, you know when the urge is there, you do it. This every-seven-years business was taken too literally by too many people who don't stop and understand. We didn't mean it only every seven years. I mean, every seven years would be a little bad, and it would not explain the Vulcans of many different ages which are not seven years apart.[1]"
But fans know the characters better than the people who wrote the scripts and came up with the concept...right?
Nah she was just a mere writer and creator
No one poops in Star Trek, therefore poop does not exist
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Yes, indeed. That's why writers often asked fans to write their scripts.
Fanboys drool at the prospect.
I’d do it for free.
keywords: quantum flux, phase, overload, reflector array, chronitons, radiation, compensator, impulse (more TNG era terminology)
TOS Ep.
The Enterprise travels through an untravelled sector of the alpha quadrant one hour away after leaving starbase, gets caught up in an ion storm/anomaly/temporal something.
Everyone falls out of their chairs and Scotty tells them it canna take much more. When the viewscreen works again they see an earthlike class M planet with populated by humanoid species - perhaps some historical earth personage.
They beam down, a redshirt or two bite it, Kirk seduces some chick, Spock says fascinating, McCoy grouses about being a doctor not a, and they violate the prime directive again.
Kirk gives an inspirational speech, They beam up.
Spock and McCoy banter on the bridge, Kirk smiles and has the last word.
Ending Credits.
keywords: quantum flux, phase, overload, reflector array, chronitons, radiation, compensator, impulse (more TNG era terminology)
TOS Ep.
The Enterprise travels through an untravelled sector of the alpha quadrant one hour away after leaving starbase, gets caught up in an ion storm/anomaly/temporal something.
Everyone falls out of their chairs and Scotty tells them it canna take much more. When the viewscreen works again they see an earthlike class M planet with populated by humanoid species - perhaps some historical earth personage.
They beam down, a redshirt or two bite it, Kirk seduces some chick, Spock says fascinating, McCoy grouses about being a doctor not a, and they violate the prime directive again.
Kirk gives an inspirational speech, They beam up.
Spock and McCoy banter on the bridge, Kirk smiles and has the last word.
Ending Credits.
@NCC-73515, apologies if I came off as overbearing or inconsiderate.
I tend to argue my side of a debate... vigorously.
I tend to argue my side of a debate... vigorously.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if it turned out masturbation was enough to satisfy ponn farr urges? All this time, Vulcans have been assembling family get togethers every seven years for a ceremony that basically leads up to sexual intercourse because of a biological necessity, when it turns out, all they need to do is rub one out and they're good to go for another seven years. Hell, sex with a hologram works, and that's not far off from masturbation.If Spock had kept up his teenage masturbation routine, he may have never suffered from Ponn Farr at all.
Maybe that's why Romulans don't seem to be effected by ponn farr?
I thought that was only temporary, or at least it was with Vorik. Ugh, I hate that I remember that.
i guess you know that the word does not have to appear in a scene to still make it clear what happens in the scene. where is it even suggested that vulcans have sex except during pon farr? not in those episodes.
you're not answering questions that challenge your opinion
what do you mean with the timelines argument?
is that canon then, or fanon, or your interpretation of what a logical unemotional vulcan does when he's not in his pon farr? all i'm saying is that actual statements are not fanon, but canon, while people's personal filling-in-the-gaps is actual fanon, not canon. but i'm running into very odd walls with that point XDI wonder what Spock and the Romulan Commander were going to be doing for that hour?
show us where i moved goalposts. sex is typically suggested by getting dressed after a cut, or showing them in bed, which never happened in the examples brought up here.
kirk did get dressed in a bed (for example) following a cut to suggest that. how do you decide who he had sex with and who he didn't screw?By that standard, Kirk never had sex either.
i actually left because i had to go to work (evening shift), then to bed, but now i'm back!Seriously, don’t any of you people have jobs?
My response to most of the last 5 pages:
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while away, i had an idea what the core of our misunderstanding here could be: i'm saying the on-screen facts are that they only mate every 7 years because of their pon farr. my opponents say that the vulcans on the show keep lying about it, and that they screw around all the time. perhaps the important detail is that they could do it anytime, but they simply don't do it under normal circumstances. does that make more sense to y'all?
then they have sex when finger-touching isn't enough? why skip intermediate forms of intimacy and go from finger touching to intercourse with nothing in between?
trellium caused her emotions to break through, which always were close to the surface. that's why she does not represent the typical situation, but the exception that i mentioned earlier where emotional suppression is disturbed or pon farr is triggered outside of the cycle.
this has been addressed several times now, read the response here:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/so-how-important-is-canon-then.305324/page-15#post-13502558
the poop analogy would be correct if vulcans on the shows had said they don't poop, and y'all would say they do poop. see why it makes so little sense to me? XD
all is good, i enjoy these nerd fights, and (as you might have noticed) i'm just as vigorous when people keep pushing what i think makes no sense and is proven wrong by the shows themselves XD@NCC-73515, apologies if I came off as overbearing or inconsiderate.
I tend to argue my side of a debate... vigorously.
it's like i'm saying the enterprise has 2 warp nacelles, which we know from the shows, and people here keep saying it actually has 5, and the 2 nacelle thing is just fanon.
i guess you know that the word does not have to appear in a scene to still make it clear what happens in the scene. where is it even suggested that vulcans have sex except during pon farr? not in those episodes.
you're not answering questions that challenge your opinion
what do you mean with the timelines argument?
is that canon then, or fanon, or your interpretation of what a logical unemotional vulcan does when he's not in his pon farr? all i'm saying is that actual statements are not fanon, but canon, while people's personal filling-in-the-gaps is actual fanon, not canon. but i'm running into very odd walls with that point XD
show us where i moved goalposts. sex is typically suggested by getting dressed after a cut, or showing them in bed, which never happened in the examples brought up here.
kirk did get dressed in a bed (for example) following a cut to suggest that. how do you decide who he had sex with and who he didn't screw?
i actually left because i had to go to work (evening shift), then to bed, but now i'm back!
while away, i had an idea what the core of our misunderstanding here could be: i'm saying the on-screen facts are that they only mate every 7 years because of their pon farr. my opponents say that the vulcans on the show keep lying about it, and that they screw around all the time. perhaps the important detail is that they could do it anytime, but they simply don't do it under normal circumstances. does that make more sense to y'all?
then they have sex when finger-touching isn't enough? why skip intermediate forms of intimacy and go from finger touching to intercourse with nothing in between?
trellium caused her emotions to break through, which always were close to the surface. that's why she does not represent the typical situation, but the exception that i mentioned earlier where emotional suppression is disturbed or pon farr is triggered outside of the cycle.
this has been addressed several times now, read the response here:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/so-how-important-is-canon-then.305324/page-15#post-13502558
the poop analogy would be correct if vulcans on the shows had said they don't poop, and y'all would say they do poop. see why it makes so little sense to me? XD
all is good, i enjoy these nerd fights, and (as you might have noticed) i'm just as vigorous when people keep pushing what i think makes no sense and is proven wrong by the shows themselves XD
it's like i'm saying the enterprise has 2 warp nacelles, which we know from the shows, and people here keep saying it actually has 5, and
the 2 nacelle thing is just fanon.
You just change your requirements for evidence you’ll accept any time you’re presented with any. But keep going, this is fun.
Let's just say that in the times of old, slipping into something more comfortable is a code for eventual knocking of boots. Which the Romulan Commander did. Now, are you saying that with all she knew about Spock and Vulcans (shown in the episode), she didn't realize her sexual advances would be rebuffed? The episode was written by Dorothy Fontana.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on the matter, obviously everyone interprets things differently. From my perspective, it is very clear Spock and Vulcans are very capable of having casual sex. Sometimes you have to read the text beyond the dialogue presented, you have to look at the scenes and how they are presented.
If we go by straight, spelled out dialogue, Starfleet isn't the military and combat is a minor province of starship command. Spoken by Jean-Luc Picard in "Peak Performance". I think we all understand Starfleet is the military and have a preponderance of evidence to back it up without any dialogue needed.
Just a nugget from Wikipedia, I have no idea if it is correct or not, but is credited to Dorothy Fontana...
It seems Roddenberry had no issues with Vulcan sex outside of Pon Farr.
https://web.archive.org/web/2012021...om/orionpress/articles/enterpriseincident.htm
It seems Roddenberry had no issues with Vulcan sex outside of Pon Farr.
https://web.archive.org/web/2012021...om/orionpress/articles/enterpriseincident.htm
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