I think that's to hide from any shapeshifters/disguised Romulans or Cardassians that the Cerritos actually has prototype TARDIS-like dimensional transcendentalism in order to FIT that beast into the hull.
Spoilers ST Lower Decks - Starships and Technology Season One Discusssion
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I like Trekyards, but they tend to fall into the category of "Let's make a 45-minute video to say something we can otherwise talk about in a tenth of the time", so I don't watch them much these days.
That said, I see the warp core in the secondary hull MSD, just smaller than Episode 2 portrays it. I also think that said hull has a deck or even two that we don't see, below the main floor of Engineering which are occluded by the nacelle diagram - the MSD shows the turbolift stopping half a heck below where the floor would be in the first place.. The core design itself suggests that all the stuff we'd normally associate with a big vertical warp core are literally wrapped around this version, making the whole thing more squat and thus not needing several decks worth of matter / antimatter compression into the dilithium matrix. The core takes some cues from the JJ-Prise core from "Into Darkness" as well.
Furthermore, if you look at the holo-core in Episode 1, it also look much smaller than it is in the following episode. They clearly used the same CGI set model as a base though, so in conclusion I'm happy with the core being across 2-4 decks of the Engineering hull, and it fits perfectly well if you squint and tilt your head in JUST the right way.
Mark
That said, I see the warp core in the secondary hull MSD, just smaller than Episode 2 portrays it. I also think that said hull has a deck or even two that we don't see, below the main floor of Engineering which are occluded by the nacelle diagram - the MSD shows the turbolift stopping half a heck below where the floor would be in the first place.. The core design itself suggests that all the stuff we'd normally associate with a big vertical warp core are literally wrapped around this version, making the whole thing more squat and thus not needing several decks worth of matter / antimatter compression into the dilithium matrix. The core takes some cues from the JJ-Prise core from "Into Darkness" as well.
Furthermore, if you look at the holo-core in Episode 1, it also look much smaller than it is in the following episode. They clearly used the same CGI set model as a base though, so in conclusion I'm happy with the core being across 2-4 decks of the Engineering hull, and it fits perfectly well if you squint and tilt your head in JUST the right way.
Mark
1x03 "Temporal Edict"
- It didn't specify, but this must be open-mic night in the bar, as it's dark and there are few people there. We didn't see the stage in the previous episodes, but not necessarily because it wasn't there.
- It's great to see that the "mute" button on the Tactical console is right next to the "Targeting Scanners" panel. Also, that it has a giant red "Mute" symbol that anyone would find familiar in 2020.
- Some may argue that the Klingons are sensing the sick beats through SPACE as further evidence that sound is heard in space. I find it just as likely that the average Klingon ship has their speakers turned UP all the way so that they can communicate with alien species that aren't always SHOUTING ALL THE TIME, and as such they can hear the hubbub coming from the Cerritos through the comms.
- Artistic license, but might we assume that the Klingon ship is different enough to qualify as a new ship class? It seems to have several decks worth of windows, making it alone larger than the usual BoP model of years past that has represented several sizes of ship. As it stands, the bridge of the ship isn't the usual Klingon bridge set either, as there's no apparent door right behind the Captain's chair.
- Confirming that Admirals in this uniform schema wear only one braid on their uniform. It's hardly without precedent, and sets up the similar things in Picard later on.
- For the first time since Starfleet HQ, we see a bring with more than one cell in the TNG era - and the Cerritos set has three! I think the only other time we've seen dual brigs is on the NX-01.
- Unlike most hoverdollies in Trek, this one is actually seen some inches off the ground and not JUST above the cladding that disguises prop wheels.
- T'Ana calling Tendi makes it look like she's Facetiming (Spacetiming?) on her phone, which is reasonable in this day and age. I guess back in the 2260s everyone just tapped a combadge to talk to someone. Different strokes for different ships.
- Boimler notes that he assisted with the Baryon sweep of the warp nacelles. We've only seen such a scrub done at a facility before (TNG "Starship Mine"), and that was for the whole ship. Perhaps a relatively low-level sweep is possible for the nacelles only, as a sort of maintenance thing that doesn't necessitate a complete evacuation? Or has tech marched on to the point that they don't need to find a Remmler Array to clean house?
- We finally get to see that the main four LDS ensigns all bunk across from each other, and closest to the big window. I'd guess that if they can trade bunks, the ones closest to the view would be higher up on the pecking order (unless you don't like to see stars). The LCARS above their heads read "LD Sleeping Quarters", so the "Lower Decks" designation extends to where they sleep too.
- Right after buffer time is rescinded, we get a really good head-on view of the Cerritos. No clear torpedo tubes are visible, leaving me to guess the best location of them would be in the secondary hull somehow.
- Ransom obliquely references the Mugato and Armus in the shuttlebay. That, or pokey primates and thinking oil slicks are more common in the galaxy than previously thought.
- The shuttlebay set is the same one Tendi arrives in, back in 1x01. We see the shuttle leave the ship, which KINDA looks like one of the four depressions in the underside of the saucer. I'm not convinced this is meant to classify them as shuttlebays, but we're kinda settling on it.
- Freeman references the Enterprise crew's multitasking prowess, and last week Boimler points out that another junior officer served aboard her, if only briefly. I'm guessing that both of these shoutouts are to the Enterprise-E, but the audience is MEANT to think about ANY Enterprise, really...
- When on "anti-graffiti" mode, the Cerritos hand phasers use the familiar sound effects. But seconds later when Boimler zaps some invaders, it defaults back to the LDS phaser sound effect.
- By the time Freeman becomes the only effective person on the bridge (ugh), the portside Engineering station is relabeled as "Cerritos Operations" to match other panels on the ship. They really DO have a lot of Ops on board!
- Mariner's underwear is the same as in the pilot episode, but her scars were pretty clearly not there. Moreover, the scars look like the typical "stitched up" kind, where we should clearly not be using stitches in Starfleet of this time.
- I do believe that Mariner throws what must be the first bedpan ever seen in all of Star Trek, that isn't set in the past anyway. Sometimes the old things work best!
- So about the future school... I'm guessing this is some sort of primary school lecture on 24th century Starfleet history. Or maybe some sort of punishment, because I *really* don't see how anyone would be comfortable learning while kneeling. Except for the young Borg I suppose. Speaking of... What?! Lots to unpack there.
- O'Brien's "statue" is of his TNG-ish time, complete with appropriate combadge. The uniform is meant to evoke the late TNG look, but the cut is off in a variety of places. Also, would they want to use a model of him on the Enterprise-D, when all the stuff he was arguably famous for doing was on DS9? I'm guessing when the backup EMH arrives in the Alpha Quadrant, he'll be pretty surprised at the historical inaccuracies like these...
Mark
- It didn't specify, but this must be open-mic night in the bar, as it's dark and there are few people there. We didn't see the stage in the previous episodes, but not necessarily because it wasn't there.
- It's great to see that the "mute" button on the Tactical console is right next to the "Targeting Scanners" panel. Also, that it has a giant red "Mute" symbol that anyone would find familiar in 2020.
- Some may argue that the Klingons are sensing the sick beats through SPACE as further evidence that sound is heard in space. I find it just as likely that the average Klingon ship has their speakers turned UP all the way so that they can communicate with alien species that aren't always SHOUTING ALL THE TIME, and as such they can hear the hubbub coming from the Cerritos through the comms.
- Artistic license, but might we assume that the Klingon ship is different enough to qualify as a new ship class? It seems to have several decks worth of windows, making it alone larger than the usual BoP model of years past that has represented several sizes of ship. As it stands, the bridge of the ship isn't the usual Klingon bridge set either, as there's no apparent door right behind the Captain's chair.
- Confirming that Admirals in this uniform schema wear only one braid on their uniform. It's hardly without precedent, and sets up the similar things in Picard later on.
- For the first time since Starfleet HQ, we see a bring with more than one cell in the TNG era - and the Cerritos set has three! I think the only other time we've seen dual brigs is on the NX-01.
- Unlike most hoverdollies in Trek, this one is actually seen some inches off the ground and not JUST above the cladding that disguises prop wheels.
- T'Ana calling Tendi makes it look like she's Facetiming (Spacetiming?) on her phone, which is reasonable in this day and age. I guess back in the 2260s everyone just tapped a combadge to talk to someone. Different strokes for different ships.
- Boimler notes that he assisted with the Baryon sweep of the warp nacelles. We've only seen such a scrub done at a facility before (TNG "Starship Mine"), and that was for the whole ship. Perhaps a relatively low-level sweep is possible for the nacelles only, as a sort of maintenance thing that doesn't necessitate a complete evacuation? Or has tech marched on to the point that they don't need to find a Remmler Array to clean house?
- We finally get to see that the main four LDS ensigns all bunk across from each other, and closest to the big window. I'd guess that if they can trade bunks, the ones closest to the view would be higher up on the pecking order (unless you don't like to see stars). The LCARS above their heads read "LD Sleeping Quarters", so the "Lower Decks" designation extends to where they sleep too.
- Right after buffer time is rescinded, we get a really good head-on view of the Cerritos. No clear torpedo tubes are visible, leaving me to guess the best location of them would be in the secondary hull somehow.
- Ransom obliquely references the Mugato and Armus in the shuttlebay. That, or pokey primates and thinking oil slicks are more common in the galaxy than previously thought.
- The shuttlebay set is the same one Tendi arrives in, back in 1x01. We see the shuttle leave the ship, which KINDA looks like one of the four depressions in the underside of the saucer. I'm not convinced this is meant to classify them as shuttlebays, but we're kinda settling on it.
- Freeman references the Enterprise crew's multitasking prowess, and last week Boimler points out that another junior officer served aboard her, if only briefly. I'm guessing that both of these shoutouts are to the Enterprise-E, but the audience is MEANT to think about ANY Enterprise, really...
- When on "anti-graffiti" mode, the Cerritos hand phasers use the familiar sound effects. But seconds later when Boimler zaps some invaders, it defaults back to the LDS phaser sound effect.
- By the time Freeman becomes the only effective person on the bridge (ugh), the portside Engineering station is relabeled as "Cerritos Operations" to match other panels on the ship. They really DO have a lot of Ops on board!
- Mariner's underwear is the same as in the pilot episode, but her scars were pretty clearly not there. Moreover, the scars look like the typical "stitched up" kind, where we should clearly not be using stitches in Starfleet of this time.
- I do believe that Mariner throws what must be the first bedpan ever seen in all of Star Trek, that isn't set in the past anyway. Sometimes the old things work best!
- So about the future school... I'm guessing this is some sort of primary school lecture on 24th century Starfleet history. Or maybe some sort of punishment, because I *really* don't see how anyone would be comfortable learning while kneeling. Except for the young Borg I suppose. Speaking of... What?! Lots to unpack there.
- O'Brien's "statue" is of his TNG-ish time, complete with appropriate combadge. The uniform is meant to evoke the late TNG look, but the cut is off in a variety of places. Also, would they want to use a model of him on the Enterprise-D, when all the stuff he was arguably famous for doing was on DS9? I'm guessing when the backup EMH arrives in the Alpha Quadrant, he'll be pretty surprised at the historical inaccuracies like these...
Mark
IIRC, DS9 had multiple cells. The Cardies needed them to lock up all those Bajoran troublemakers. 
I'm thinking the BOP was one of the bigger K'Vort-class ships (drawn in a similar stylized fashion to other ships we've seen), but I wouldn't be opposed to a new "upgraded" design, suitable for the late 24th century. Klingons really do keep their ships around way too long.
The school scene reminded me of the Ferengi at Ops on the bridge, shown in "Future Imperfect". Definitely a sight-gag to show the audience that things have definitely changed from the frame of reference of the core show.
Do we yet have confirmation that Ransom is related to the late Captain Rudolph "Rudy" Ransom from Voyager's "Equinox"? Not a terribly common name, but I don't recall ever hearing anything from the show-runners on that particular thing, only fan speculation.
I'm thinking the BOP was one of the bigger K'Vort-class ships (drawn in a similar stylized fashion to other ships we've seen), but I wouldn't be opposed to a new "upgraded" design, suitable for the late 24th century. Klingons really do keep their ships around way too long.
The school scene reminded me of the Ferengi at Ops on the bridge, shown in "Future Imperfect". Definitely a sight-gag to show the audience that things have definitely changed from the frame of reference of the core show.
Do we yet have confirmation that Ransom is related to the late Captain Rudolph "Rudy" Ransom from Voyager's "Equinox"? Not a terribly common name, but I don't recall ever hearing anything from the show-runners on that particular thing, only fan speculation.
I love how everybody was beating all the aliens with the PADD's
The accuracy that they throw those suckers at the intruders heads, almost like a ninja star.
I'm surprised they don't have small "Wall Mounted" Phaser Turrets in each corridor, it would definitely slow down ALOT of the ship invaders.
We saw how effective one of those suckers in DS9 could be.
Imagine every corridor, in 4x corners, between each bulk head / wall separator were "Phaser Turrets"
Fires on any enemy coming within range.
If multiple turrets can see you, multiple firing at the target(s).
You can easily prevent a boarding party from getting very far.
The accuracy that they throw those suckers at the intruders heads, almost like a ninja star.
I'm surprised they don't have small "Wall Mounted" Phaser Turrets in each corridor, it would definitely slow down ALOT of the ship invaders.
We saw how effective one of those suckers in DS9 could be.
Imagine every corridor, in 4x corners, between each bulk head / wall separator were "Phaser Turrets"
Fires on any enemy coming within range.
If multiple turrets can see you, multiple firing at the target(s).
You can easily prevent a boarding party from getting very far.
At least don't put "Red Alert" next to "Jettison Pod" or "Nurse" next to "Nukes".
The problem is that they're on both sides immediately before and after
Since she wants to keep her scars, they were stitched and not dermalregenerated XD
Also (again) many of these points have little to do with ships or tech, so I'll start a new thread for eastereggs and references so we can collect them in a dedicated thread and they don't get lost in threads about individual episodes or other topics... makes it easier to find them and collect them all.
That's fair... I'll endeavor to note stuff most directly related to ships and tech. However, IMO its a pretty thin line in some cases, like how scars are or aren't healed with a dermal regenerator, or whether or not the phaser sounds mean anything im this shows context...
Mark
Mark
I don't know, this is one of those things that can be turned against the crew, if it's hacked or the computer goes crazy. Gassing the corridors is dangerous enough.
Speed walking.
You can say that about any major system.
Warp Core can go BOOM!
Fusion Reactor can go down.
etc.
The point is to harden your security systems.
IIRC, DS9 had multiple cells. The Cardies needed them to lock up all those Bajoran troublemakers.
...I wonder if Empok Nor had the same design?
To pick nits from a dead hobby-horse till the cows freeze over, K'Vort is what the big BoPs were called in the alternate timeline of "Yesterday's Enterprise" only. In ours, the very same ships were called B'Rel, in "Rascals" where not only did the VFX show big ships, but the story sorta hinged on the enemy being overwhelmingly big, too.
Timo Saloniemi
I found this a bit odd too given it subverted the usual TNG era "X to Y" combadge tap. Either the showdevs didn't think we would recognize T'ana from her name/voice yet, or we could headcanon a reason Caitians prefer visual contact based on cat behaviour?
Or they (sadly) went for a 2010s look that's familiar to casual viewers, like the Disco people speaking into the bottom of their communicators as if they're smartphones
In the regular timeline, the IKS Koraga, the lost ship with Worf on board that Ezri went searching in DS9: "Penumbra", was a K'Vort class. The class name was readable on a display aboard the runabout Gander.
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Speaking of K’vort, I just finished rewatching Discovery Season 2 tonight and I happened to catch a name in the end credits that I hadn’t before: K’vort, played by Glen Hetrick, one of the lead makeup artists of the show! He was a crewman on the bridge of L’rell’s flagship D7. That name cannot be coincidence, and most likely the origin of the name of that class of vessel in the Prime Universe. It would stand to reason that the Klingons follow in a similar tradition that we do, naming ships after great leaders/warriors.
Yup. Both names apparently are in use in "our" timeline; I wonder if both are also used in the "war timeline", and whether it's a case of a simple swap...
That is, might the Rotarran, a small/midsize BoP, be of this K'Vort class in "our" timeline? Many fan sources readily state so (while others believe in B'Rel), but this particular tidbit isn't even Okudagram canon AFAIK.
Cool. OTOH, perhaps they instead name warriors after classes of starships? And those ships then get their names from more esoteric sources - K'Vort being the archaic form of Avenger or whatnot.
Timo Saloniemi
It’s possible. I only asserted that the ship was named after the person, for no other reason than the person existed in the 23rd century and we don’t see the ship until the 24th. But yes, it is possible that they are both namesakes of an earlier word and/or concept.
Yup. It's fun that the Mandel idea of using Klingon ship names as location names in Star Charts is gradually being canonized, with all those in-focus charts shown in the movies and latest TV shows. But again we don't know which came first: the chicken, the egg, or the farmer who built the ranch. Perhaps the name shared by a ship and a star system is an abstract concept, or the name of a person, or the name of a real or imaginary place on Qo'noS...
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