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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x02 - "Envoys"

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  • 10 - It was everything I wished for.

    Votes: 16 10.7%
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    Votes: 32 21.3%
  • 8

    Votes: 46 30.7%
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    Votes: 30 20.0%
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    Votes: 12 8.0%
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    Votes: 8 5.3%
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    Votes: 0 0.0%
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    Votes: 1 0.7%
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    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • 1 - I dream of better Trek.

    Votes: 4 2.7%

  • Total voters
    150
couple of Aurelians (or possibly Skorr)!

Top center and lower right:

Aurelians-or-Skorr-LDS-1x02.png

:eek: how the hell did i miss this wish i could revise my score cause that's a solid 10/10 :adore:
 
I went 7, but just seeing a Vendorian almost bumped it up to 8.

Besides the Vendorian, Ariolo, etc., there were also a couple of Aurelians (or possibly Skorr)!

Top center and lower right:

Aurelians-or-Skorr-LDS-1x02.png


And the ones behind the Evora here look like they could be Arcturians:

Possible-Arcturians-behind-Evora-LDS-1x02.png


-MMoM:D

Awesome! Also the horse people remind me of aliens seen in the Marvel Early Voyages comic book series.
 
It's the first shuttle lined up behind Mariner and Boimler as K'Orin is taking off with their shuttle. It isn't black like the Aeon, just standard off-white shuttle color, but it sure as hell looks like and Epoch. Maybe Braxton was up to some shenanigans in Little Qo'nos.
That thing is vaguely similar in shape, but the window is completely different, and it seems to have bulky wings
 
I think the show makes it clear that both Mariner and Brad are in serious need of changes. Mariner has an abundance of confidence versus Brad's complete lack of it but the former is just as flawed in the fact its not nearly as earned as she believes.

For all her RL experience, she's:

* Stabbed Brad
* Screwed up the mission
* Lost the general
* Unwittingly made Brad MORE racist by reinforcing his Ferengi specism.

:)

For an organisation that purports to preach respect for individuality and uniqueness, Starfleet sure does expect its officers to be as homogenous and generic as possible.

Her mistake is being human. If she was Klingon, her stabbing a fellow crew member would just warrant a mild rebuke.

And, contrary to some opinions, her experience is completely understandable despite being "about the same age" (23?) as Boimler. Boimler seems to have come from Earth, with no outside visits (except for Vulcan) until the Academy, but Mariner most likely grew up on starships with her Starfleet parents and has been having these grand adventures since before she can remember. She knows everything and has done everything because she suffered through "23 seasons" of situations spanning the entire era of TNG and DS9.

It would explain why she's mildly psychotic. Imagine all the children on the Enterprise and Voyager that have grown up to think yeti's stealing your shoes is normal.

While being in hear early 20s.

Makes perfect sense.

No, it's because she's a Mary Sue, Ms. Perfect and Great at Experienced at Everything with no flaws.

I don't think Mary Sue's accidentally stab people in the leg or are on the verge of being cashiered for being a screw up.

No, this is a simple "Red Oni, Blue Oni" situation. There's a lot of franchises where the two main characters have an incredibly roguish scoundrel and rule breaker up against the logical paragon.

Han Solo/Luke Skywalker
Spock/Kirk (Reboot)
Avon/Blake
 
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I just think of Mariner as a Ro Laren type character. She's obviously highly competent at her job, just isn't one for the chain of command. And for as to her comment about running "grey ops" with the general before Starfleet, she was probably making something up to cover her background. Its obvious that no one is aware of her family history and she probably takes great pains to hid that. And if we want to get into a real deep dive, grey ops could be a reference to the grey uniform that Wesley Crusher wore when he was a "provisional ensign", that could be a standard uniform for those that serve in that roll.
 
I just think of Mariner as a Ro Laren type character. She's obviously highly competent at her job, just isn't one for the chain of command. And for as to her comment about running "grey ops" with the general before Starfleet, she was probably making something up to cover her background. Its obvious that no one is aware of her family history and she probably takes great pains to hid that. And if we want to get into a real deep dive, grey ops could be a reference to the grey uniform that Wesley Crusher wore when he was a "provisional ensign", that could be a standard uniform for those that serve in that roll.

Unless they decide to go differently, I think that Mariner's career fall isn't quite as dramatic as a massive fall from grace, but more like the fact she was a Lieutenant (Junior Grade) that got bumped down to Ensign for something moral that she did like giving farm equipment to the Pig People.

Mind you, their ages are throwing me as Mariner acts like she's 26 and Brad acts like he's 16 at most despite supposedly being the same age.
 
Mind you, their ages are throwing me as Mariner acts like she's 26 and Brad acts like he's 16 at most despite supposedly being the same age.

I think “same age” is one of those things that aren’t exact. She’s likely a year or two older than Boimler.
 
I see nothing perfect about Mariner. She’s a flawed character. Sure, she can be a little obnoxious but honestly, I know few who have never gone through SOME sort of a phase like that.
 
@Trekker4747 keeps repeating that "Mariner got K'orin drunk" as if she held him by his luxurious mane and forced that bloodwine down his (presumably) bifurcated gullet...I didn't see that happening. Klingons drink...it's a rather prominent aspect of their culture. Besides being amply evident from virtually every past appearance, there was a direct exchange to this point—and at mek'leth point, no less—later in this very episode. Mariner is lucky he's a "lightweight" or else she'd never have been able to keep up!

-MMoM:D
 
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