Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x01 - "Second Contact"

[RAMA]

Cetacean Freeloaders...?

Bring on cetacean ops!!! I've been waiting for years for that!

 

[brandnewfan]

That is 100% not true at all.

It is though.

You can be a fan, but how can you call someone a Trekkie if they refuse to watch some of it? That person could be a fan of the franchise, but I wouldn’t say they’re hardcore or anything if they refuse to watch parts of it based solely on a 1 or 2 minute trailer.

Anyway, it’s neither here nor there and I’m not going to spend several posts arguing about it. I like Jammers site but them not reviewing parts of the franchise because reasons is a little annoying. But they have that right, and I have the right to criticize them for it.

 

[Michael]

But they have that right, and I have the right to criticize them for it.

You have that right, yeah. It's still incredibly silly. It's akin to “No, I don't wanna have him in my club!” and “He doesn't play right with those toys!”

 

[Cyrus]

You can be a fan, but how can you call someone a Trekkie if they refuse to watch some of it? That person could be a fan of the franchise, but I wouldn’t say they’re hardcore or anything if they refuse to watch parts of it based solely on a 1 or 2 minute trailer.

Has Jammer made any claims about being a Trekkie? I even doubt if he wants to be considered a Trekkie. He is an online Scifi TV and movie reviewer who has reviewed other stuff besides Star Trek and probably doesn't want to be perceived as biased toward a certain franchise. If he is not interested in a series he shouldn't have to pay for CBS AA and spend his time watching and and writing reviews for it. And he didn't review TAS either so he has been consistent.

 

[brandnewfan]

You have that right, yeah. It's still incredibly silly. It's akin to “No, I don't wanna have him in my club!” and “He doesn't play right with those toys!”

And basing your opinion on a show from a 2 minute trailer is moronic.

 

[Trekker4747]

And basing your opinion on a show from a 2 minute trailer is moronic.

That's the point of a trailer.

 

[1001001]

His justification? What do you mean? It basically just doesn't look interesting enough to him to watch it. That's it. And what's wrong with that? Everyone's going to have to decide this for themselves. So you think he's somehow obliged to spent time watching and reviewing the show, because … ? Well, why exactly? Because he reviewed previous versions of Trek? Again, this is just plain silly.

“You only cement your place as a Trekkie if you watch all the shows and films” — this got to be the most nonsensical sentence I've read all week. Basically the definition of gatekeeping.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm a hardcore Star Wars fan but you can't get me near most of the novels and books written over the years, and those are or were also canon. Nobody is going to call me a non-fanatic just because I don't absorb every iota of miniscule canon released by the IP holder. I watch Lower Decks because I'm interested in watching it but if I decided not to that doesn't make me any less of a Trekkie.

I don't have to prove my credentials to any other fan.

 

[Noname Given]

From what I can tell that's how they talk and behave across all of the current crop/Kurtzman Trek series because he apparently thinks people will talk the exact same way we do today 300 years in to the future so all the characters have to talk and act like 21st Century Millennials.

Oh please. On TNG Geordie used the term: "it's buku trouble if you're wrong...", which was a phrase that dated back to the sixties in 1987.

Do I think that people will speak exactly the same way we do in 300 years? Probably not. But it's also ridiculous to try and make up a new way to speak just because something is set in the far future. in the end any entertainment has to be understandable to its audience; and the Star Trek franchise has been guilty of using colloquial 20th century phrases from TOS up through the current incarnations of Trek.

I think it has to do more with his justification for not reviewing it. And he’s put himself out there so he’s under more scrutiny than the average fan.

And yea, it does make me question ones fandom. You can enjoy a series or two or five, but you only cement your place as a Trekkie if you watch all the shows and films. If you don’t, you’re getting closer to casual viewer or former Trekkie.

Yeah that's a lot of crap too. All you need to be a Trekkie, is to like and watch whatever version of Star Trek you like over the last 50 years.

I've been watching Star Trek first run since 1969, but after giving Star Trek Voyager one season, I completely gave up on it because I thought it was written like absolute garbage, and my opinion on that show hasn't changed at all over the years.

I also really didn't care for TNG back in 1987, but as it was the first TV version of Star Trek in 18 years since TOS, I stuck with it and while it was on the air eventually came to enjoy it a bit; but over the years for me (unlike TOS), It hasn't aged well, and I find I can't bring myself to re-watch the majority of it. Out of its seventh season run, for me, I'd say there's less than one season worth of episodes total that I would call re-watchable.

So yeah the idea of that to be a 'True Trekkie"; you have to watch and like everything that's been produced in the Star Trek franchise's 50 plus year history is ridiculous.

 

[UssGlenn]

Yep. "Only Nixon could go to China".

That's a perfectly legitimate historical allusion for the situation. Certainly better than "Only Solvak could go to Andoria".

 

[KennyB]

And basing your opinion on a show from a 2 minute trailer is moronic.

Oh no he didn't.............

 

[Tuskin38]

That's the point of a trailer.

Trailers can be very misleading. The first couple trailers for Orville completely turned me off, but I watched the show anyways, and guess what? I like it.

Don’t judge shows/movies solely off their trailers.

 

[Tuskin38]

It is though.

It isn’t true. Anyone can like and hate anything in the franchise and still be a fan.

Trekkies/Trekkers are just fans of the series, you don’t need to watch or like everything produced.

 

[XCV330]

His justification? What do you mean? It basically just doesn't look interesting enough to him to watch it. That's it. And what's wrong with that? Everyone's going to have to decide this for themselves. So you think he's somehow obliged to spent time watching and reviewing the show, because … ? Well, why exactly? Because he reviewed previous versions of Trek? Again, this is just plain silly.

“You only cement your place as a Trekkie if you watch all the shows and films” — this got to be the most nonsensical sentence I've read all week. Basically the definition of gatekeeping.

That is true. One must have watched all episodes and movies and paperbacks and own a complete first run set of Gold Key comics. Slackers.

 

[Tosk]

On TNG Geordie use the term: "it's buku trouble if you're wrong...", which was a phrase that dated back to the sixties in 1987.

I don't recall the ep, but is the word you're thinking of 'beaucoup'?

That's the point of a trailer.

The point of a trailer is to try and entice people to watch the show/movie.

 

[Rhodan]

I need to watch it at least second time. Now, it seems to me so-so. Funny, but seldomly and I understand they are going for strong self-referential humor, but this can get old quickly.

 

[BillJ]

They won't be behaving exactly as we do today. Somehow the previous Trek series has managed to give us characters who behaved in a manner that made sense to their environment without them standing out as being characters written in the mid/late-20th cenutry.

"Hot pursuit" from "Arena" says hi. They may be in the future, but it's 21st century audiences that watch and make or break shows.

And yea, it does make me question ones fandom. You can enjoy a series or two or five, but you only cement your place as a Trekkie if you watch all the shows and films. If you don’t, you’re getting closer to casual viewer or former Trekkie.

Been watching since 1975, and still haven't finished Picard. I guess I'll somehow survive not being a Trekkie.

 

[RAMA]

Just looking at the critical reaction, Rotten Tomatoes: 61%, fresh. Metacritic 57: 6 listed as positive, 9 mixed, 0 negative.

So decidedly mixed, unlike the other CBSAA Trek shows.

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[Rhodan]

Just looking at the critical reaction, Rotten Tomatoes: 61%, fresh. Metacritic 51: 6 listed as positive, 9 mixed, 0 negative.

So decidedly mixed, unlike the other CBSAA Trek shows.

I have seen that and it doesn´t surprise me. It isn´t utterly bad, but it needs better jokes at least.