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Final Ruling: Best Post-"Aliens" Franchise Sequel

Which Is Yoir Favorite?

  • Alien3

  • Alien Resurrection

  • Prometheus

  • Alien Covenant


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The mythical Prometheus was bound to a rock, and an eagle picked at his internal organs every day and night (the organs regenerating at dawn) for all eternity.

Elizabeth Shaw was bound to a table, and David picked at her internal organs and used them to (re)create the ultimate killing machines, leaving her remains lying embalmed and preserved for, if not all eternity, then for many decades to come. The artwork he generated ominously hints that he was able to resurrect (using the black goo), regenerate, and kill her again several times over in the course of his experiments.

And that was a punishment for his crimes. But I'm curious if this was something Shaw might have done out of her own accord, after a long time searching for the Engineers, perhaps loosing her mind in the proces, and having either become delusional or desperate. Or David manipulated her into doing it.
 
Is it wrong that I like both Alien 3 and Ressurection more than Aliens, which I feel is one of the most overrated movies of all time?

Is it wrong? No. It's your opinion. As long as your opinions aren't racist/sexist/discriminating they're cool.
However..... Aliens was kind of a first really, and many have copied it. If you've seen the rip-offs first....yeah, it's generic.
 
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Alien 3. For all it's problems we still have Ripley who still acts like Ripley. It's not building on the momentum and growing scale of the previous movie but there's a lot of character development for Ripley, dealing with the weight of loss, her encounters with the Aliens, being stuck on a prison planet of men. It certainly is a fresh take and doesn't feel like a rehash.

Resurrection is Alien with no Soul. Another 90s movie that could be have been called anything.
Prometheus was beautiful but dumb and too scared to not have a Xenomorph in it.
Alien Covenant was just rehashing what came before, too scared to do anything different.
 
The generic Super-Alien giving the orders that has the final battle with the hero at the end, the cute little kid survivor, the slimy company man/civilian, it's all fairly predictable.
Maybe it's my limited personal scope, but I'm having trouble thinking of too many movies prior to Aliens that featured a "Super-Alien" who was overseeing the horde before doing battle with the hero at the end. Similarly, I'm spacing on the cute kid survivor. Slimy company man for sure though. Just like Ash kind of turned out to be. ;)

But even if there are tons of examples I'm missing, is Aliens really more "generic" than the first movie? Creature kills off crew one at a time. Lone survivor. The end. Alien is practically a remake of Planet of the Vampires*. (Not to mention It: The Terror From Beyond Space.)

*Ridley even aped it a second time, with the outfits in Prometheus bearing an uncanny resemblance to the ones in PotV.
 
Maybe it's my limited personal scope, but I'm having trouble thinking of too many movies prior to Aliens that featured a "Super-Alien" who was overseeing the horde before doing battle with the hero at the end. Similarly, I'm spacing on the cute kid survivor. Slimy company man for sure though. Just like Ash kind of turned out to be. ;)

Go watch "Them!"

But even if there are tons of examples I'm missing, is Aliens really more "generic" than the first movie? Creature kills off crew one at a time. Lone survivor. The end. Alien is practically a remake of Planet of the Vampires*. (Not to mention It: The Terror From Beyond Space.)

*Ridley even aped it a second time, with the outfits in Prometheus bearing an uncanny resemblance to the ones in PotV.

Yeah, but Ridley Scott and Dan O'Bannon openly admitted they took a B Movie plot and treated it like an A Movie. Cameron is infamous for never owning up to anything, like when he ripped off Harlan Ellison for Terminator.
 
Cameron is infamous for never owning up to anything, like when he ripped off Harlan Ellison for Terminator.

Cameron only got in trouble with Ellison because he was asked in an interview about his influences when writing The Terminator and gave an honest answer. Ironically, if he gave some bullshit "all my ideas are original, how dare you assume we are all ignorant like you and can only repackage stuff we've already seen" answer like some writers I could name (which I'd describe as "not owning up"), Ellison never would've bothered him.
 
Cameron only got in trouble with Ellison because he was asked in an interview about his influences when writing The Terminator and gave an honest answer. Ironically, if he gave some bullshit "all my ideas are original, how dare you assume we are all ignorant like you and can only repackage stuff we've already seen" answer like some writers I could name (which I'd describe as "not owning up"), Ellison never would've bothered him.

I'm referring more to how Cameron gave him the least amount of credit for Terminator, that bit at the end. Didn't he say something about Ellison being a parasite?
 
I'm referring more to how Cameron gave him the least amount of credit for Terminator, that bit at the end. Didn't he say something about Ellison being a parasite?
Cameron has said that was the studio's capitulation, and at the time, he didn't have the resources to take Ellison to court on his own dime. And that honestly seems like a double standard on your part. Cameron described an influence specifically, and got no end of grief for it. You're comparing that negatively to Ridley Scott and Dan O'Bannon describing Alien generally as a B-Movie plot made like an A-Movie, but it's not as if Alien has a "Based on Planet of the Vampires, by Mario Bava" credit anywhere on it, studio-mandated or otherwise.
 
Go watch "Them!"
I've seen it, but admittedly not recently enough to remember much of it. Okay, that's one...

Also 'Invaders from Mars'.
Funnily enough I did have that in my draft but took it out due to the leader not doing battle at the end, and because I'm not so sure "cute kid" survivor counts if the movie is about the kid in the first place. That would lump almost every movie with a kid in it into the same category.

Even if we count it, that's two.

Yeah, but Ridley Scott and Dan O'Bannon openly admitted they took a B Movie plot and treated it like an A Movie. Cameron is infamous for never owning up to anything, like when he ripped off Harlan Ellison for Terminator.
What does that have to do with it? We were talking about execution.
 
Of the 4 that you listed, Alien 3. While I understand why people are so bothered by the deaths of Hicks & Newt, I also understand why Alien 3 had to kill them off like that. Few big studio movies like this are able to be this dark & nihilistic. I wouldn't want every movie to be like this but I'm glad that this one exists. My only major criticism is that it's very difficult to tell what's going on during the whole bait-and-chase sequence. We don't have a clear enough idea of what the geography of these tunnels are to be able to tell if the plan is working or not.

However, Alien vs. Predator is actually my favorite of the sequels. Sure, it's brainless and would have benefited from an R-rating. But it's got Aliens fighting Predators. It does what it says on the tin.

After that, Prometheus. It works pretty well on its own terms as a horror movie. Noomi Rapace & Michael Fassbender both have pretty compelling screen presence. But as an Alien prequel, I'm left with more questions than I had going in. Biggest question, right at the beginning: Why did that Engineer kill himself by drinking that black goo?

Actually, Honest Trailers did a pretty good job of breaking down all the unanswered questions. This is honestly my all-time favorite Honest Trailer.
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Alien Resurrection feels like a cynical cash grab. It feels like a cynical fusion between the first 2 movies but with more gore. I really like the scene with all of the failed Ripley clones but that's about it.

AVP: Requiem had potential. If only I could actually SEE anything!!!!! (Oh, so this is what it's like for that guy who wears his sunglasses at night!:mallory:)

The Food Poisoning I had in 2011 where I violently threw up 40 times, lost 20 pounds, and spent three days in the hospital, dehydrated, with my kidneys shut down, and an I.V. hooked up into my arm. There were times, during that, when I seriously thought I'd die.

-- insert yet another gap --

8. Alien: Covenant :p

I would choose Alien Covenant over violent food poisoning. But only because I can CHOOSE to never watch Alien Covenant again. (If it were a choice between the food poisoning and being forced to rewatch the film Clockwork Orange-style, well........ :shrug::shrug:)

Someone keeps letting Ridley Scott make movies, which is a very bad idea. He had his lucky couple and all he's doing now is proving over and over that Alien and Blade Runner were flukes.

Agreed. For a director of his stature, his batting average is terrible. Actually, I can't stand Blade Runner. And Alien is only watchable because it has one of the best casts ever assembled in a film. IMO, Ridley Scott's only good movies are Gladiator & The Martian. Maybe, if I'm feeling generous, I'll add Robin Hood & Black Hawk Down to that list. And I liked the first half of American Gangster that I saw but I never finished it due to food poisoning. But I can't think of another director who is so venerated whose filmography is cluttered with crap like Kingdom of Heaven & Legend.

Resurrection was clone crap. Weaver must have needed the money.

Interesting that Whedon's original script didn't have Ripley at all. I would love to visit the alternate universe where we got that version of the movie.

I think I read that in the chapter about the making of Alien 3 in the book 'The Greatest Sci-Fi Movies Never Made'.

Yay! I'm glad someone else here has read that book. If any of you haven't, this should be required reading for anyone interested in the history film production.
https://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Sci...scifi+movies+never+made&qid=1596178258&sr=8-1

This is also the reason it took so long for there to be a licensed figure of Ripley released, as Weaver didn't want her likeness on a toy with guns ostensibly aimed at kids.

Ahh, the early '90s, back when no one batted an eye at R-rated sci-fi movies getting a kids toy line. Fun fact: You can see Captain Picard's son playing with the Aliens dropship during the Christmas fantasy in Star Trek: Generations.

Now, if they ever need to do another AvP..... Set it somewhere in the our future, add Colonial Marines, some jungle world out there in space, and R-rated.

Yes! Do it! Given that the first 2 movies were Earth-bound, I'd like to see another one just to frame it in more of a futuristic Alien-esque context. I think that they should set it during the gap between Alien 3 & Alien Resurrection so that they can show why Weyland-Yutani isn't around anymore.

Still, I live in hope that one day someone will come along and make another great alien film. I had high hopes for Bomkamp’s Alien 5 but that’s likely never going to happen now.

Which is such a shame. I suspect that, had they polled the fans, most of us would have much rather seen Blomkamp's Alien 5 rather than Scott's Alien Covenant.

What's really scary is that, now, the franchise is owned by Disney! Disney seems to have a pretty spotty track record with franchises that they didn't create. For every Marvel & Star Wars, there's a Muppets or a Power Rangers. I think that another studio should try to acquire the rights from Disney. Does Blumhouse have any spare cash?

What does that have to do with it? We were talking about execution.

I was just going to say that. In the end, who came first is less important than who did it best. And in the rarefied air of elite '80s action movies, Aliens is right at the top of the heap, beside Die Hard & The Terminator.

One last thing about the post-Cameron Alien sequels: Pitch Black is better than all of them!
 
Agreed. For a director of his stature, his batting average is terrible. Actually, I can't stand Blade Runner. And Alien is only watchable because it has one of the best casts ever assembled in a film. IMO, Ridley Scott's only good movies are Gladiator & The Martian. Maybe, if I'm feeling generous, I'll add Robin Hood & Black Hawk Down to that list. And I liked the first half of American Gangster that I saw but I never finished it due to food poisoning. But I can't think of another director who is so venerated whose filmography is cluttered with crap like Kingdom of Heaven & Legend.
Stephen Spielberg says "Hi !"

And in the rarefied air of elite '80s action movies, Aliens is right at the top of the heap........& The Terminator.
Well there's two of my.....top two movies !*

* Not counting what later became known as 'A New Hope'. Which was a life changing experience, not just a movie.
 
Other than 1941 and possibly Munich, I can't recall any Spielberg films that are as bad as Scott's worst.
Hmm, I have a loathing for much of his output that many don't share. Off the top of my head I'd point to 1941, CE3K, E.T., Poltergeist and The Goonies.

And West Side Story could well make that list...

(I haven't seen Munich).
 
1941 is the only Steven Spielberg movie I have seen that I didn't like. I still haven't seen Always, Amistad, or anything he's done since Adventures of Tin Tin.
 
Hmm, I have a loathing for much of his output that many don't share. Off the top of my head I'd point to 1941, CE3K, E.T., Poltergeist and The Goonies.

As pointed out, he didn't actually direct The Goonies or Poltergeist. But neither of those are great films. While I'm of the generation that grew up with The Goonies, it somehow skipped my household when I was a kid. When I finally saw it, I was in high school and was having absolutely none of it! That film is painful when viewed without the protection of nostalgia goggles (although still more watchable than Ridley Scott's Legend). Poltergeist is pretty dull but at least the mom is kinda hot.:adore:

As for the other 3 you mentioned:
1941 had potential but Spielberg was completely wrong for the material. My theory is that '80s era Gale/Zemeckis scripts are generally dripping with cynicism but Spielberg doesn't have a cynical bone in his body.
Close Encounters of the Third Kind is pretty dull and pretentious. Not a fan, but I can't really say much against it.
E.T. is VERY overrated but is still quite good.

I forgot to mention Bridge of Spies as a largely intolerable snoozefest, despite a decent performance from Mark Rylance.

Actually, now I kinda wanna pit modern day Spielberg, Scott, & Zemeckis against each other. Who made the least interesting period piece-- Spielberg with Bridge of Spies, Scott with All the Money in the World, or Zemeckis with Allied?
 
So here's a disturbing thought.....

I just watched Prometheus again for the first time in quite a while. And at the end, Shaw is quite set on finding the Engineers. Connecting with 'God'. Could it be, either by manipulation from David or her own free will, everything that happened to her according to Covenant was because she wanted to get closer to her creators?
Er, isn't that the whole point of the movie Prometheus? And how the Engineer reacts to Weyland's plea for "more life"?

It's always seemed clear to me that Scott intended for Prometheus and Covenant to be savage attacks on religiosity. But then, that could be my bias as an atheistic viewer.
 
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