Well he and Pagliacci probably have a few things in common.
Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)
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Well he and Pagliacci probably have a few things in common.
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I've read the first Anderson/Herbert trilogy but when you've read the original books and see them as a 5 course meal prepared by a 3 star restaurant their books are more like McDonalds - to some still tasty but ultimately not good in the long run.
I make this distinction with many novel series - the same applies to the whole Star Wars or Star Trek expanded universe books. I've read many Star Wars novels, including the 19 book Yuzhaan Vong invasion storyline and while they are entertaining and some of them really gripping they are still light entertainment, something you could read in the train and then put them away without having to think too much about them and their deeper meaning.
I don't mind these books but they don't compare well against real classics who are classics for a reason - i doubt anyone will talk about SW books or those expanded DUne books as classics in 50 years.
I make this distinction with many novel series - the same applies to the whole Star Wars or Star Trek expanded universe books. I've read many Star Wars novels, including the 19 book Yuzhaan Vong invasion storyline and while they are entertaining and some of them really gripping they are still light entertainment, something you could read in the train and then put them away without having to think too much about them and their deeper meaning.
I don't mind these books but they don't compare well against real classics who are classics for a reason - i doubt anyone will talk about SW books or those expanded DUne books as classics in 50 years.
Counterpoint: no it wasn't.
*gestures in the general direction of all the hack writing, nonsense plot and shameless milking of the IP*
There's been a lot of talk about opening the international markets for films in general and not bothering with the States until Covid clears. The big fear being piracy. Nolan has also been insistent on releasing the film, and in theaters only.
I'm not saying this will happen, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me either way.
I'd go to the nearest drive in to watch it (Canada) but no way I'd go in a theater
Tenet's doing a "staggered release" type of thing. There are many markets where it is safe to have theatres open, but with no new releases they're showing either the movies which were in theatres back in March before everything shut down and/or old movies from years ago. I know where I live, the two theatres which are opened, one is showing The Dark Knight trilogy, the other the Back to the Future trilogy. Anyway, having Tenet do this "staggered release" is a good way for the theatres in those markets to start generating some meaningful revenue by having a new movie to screen as opposed to the current scenario of denying the whole world a new movie just because theatres are shut down in the US.
Which is a bogus claim because studies have found that the impact of piracy is negligible, especially for big studios and actually may have a positive effect if the movie/album/whatever is really good so word of mouth spreads (and the opposite is true too if the product sucks).
However i can understand the studios as this is a never before seen situation world wide and no one knows actually what to do to salvage it. Releasing it piecemeal (be it Tenet or any other movie) in safe regions to at least generate some revenue might be the thing to do though previously safe regions report worrying develeopments currently with case increases.
I don't actually know if i would like to sit down in the theater. Germany is comparably well under control (though signs are there that it may get worse again) and with basic precautions like only every second seat can be used it could work but still i'm hesitant and might sit it out until the situation is actually under control and/or a vaccine has been found.
I think part of the problem with the "trickle release" idea is that's it's antithetical to the capitalist Hollywood mindset. The big studios don't want to make a reasonable profit, they want to make *all* the profit. This is why the marketing hype machine exists in the first place; to generate enough excitement to try and encourage as many people as possible to go see the movie all at once and this produce as big a windfall as possible before interest fades.
You just cannot maintain that kind of audience awareness over a long period of time and to attempt to do so though traditional marketing means would be ruinously expensive and counter-productive.
You just cannot maintain that kind of audience awareness over a long period of time and to attempt to do so though traditional marketing means would be ruinously expensive and counter-productive.
Supposedly a couple international chains in Europe have said the Dune trailer is indeed going to be attached to Inception. They also say it will be released on August 12, which is before Inception, so maybe they mean online.
https://screenrant.com/dune-movie-trailer-release-when-theaters/amp/
Edit:. I had written Tenet by reflex, but it is Inception
https://screenrant.com/dune-movie-trailer-release-when-theaters/amp/
Edit:. I had written Tenet by reflex, but it is Inception
My post from page one suddenly seems apropos again...
Bloody hell, has it really been nearly 4 years?
Why must we watch a youtube video to learn about a rumour of the release date of a youtube video?
Go home internet, you're drunk.
The problem with that is that it requires *someone* to make a decision, and decisions that seem to loose a company a lot of potential revenue (even if it was already off the table) tends to get said decision maker fired. Studio execs generally like to dither and avoid anything that resembles definitive action, at least until they have someone or something else to shift any potential blame to....unless it's a fantastic success in which case they swoop back in and take all the credit.
Even now, they don't just want some money, they want ALL the money.
ETA: if anyone wants an example of this, look up how much trouble Alan Ladd Jr got in when Star Wars turned into a hit. A movie they didn't even want to bankroll at all, that he had to twist their arms for even a modest budget; the second they hit it big their attitude was basically "We let him keep the sequel rights and merchandising!? All that money should be our money! Why didn't you strike a better deal!?" I mean never mind that in those days neither of those things were considered valuable until Lucas made them valuable...
Go home internet, you're drunk.
The problem with that is that it requires *someone* to make a decision, and decisions that seem to loose a company a lot of potential revenue (even if it was already off the table) tends to get said decision maker fired. Studio execs generally like to dither and avoid anything that resembles definitive action, at least until they have someone or something else to shift any potential blame to....unless it's a fantastic success in which case they swoop back in and take all the credit.
Even now, they don't just want some money, they want ALL the money.
ETA: if anyone wants an example of this, look up how much trouble Alan Ladd Jr got in when Star Wars turned into a hit. A movie they didn't even want to bankroll at all, that he had to twist their arms for even a modest budget; the second they hit it big their attitude was basically "We let him keep the sequel rights and merchandising!? All that money should be our money! Why didn't you strike a better deal!?" I mean never mind that in those days neither of those things were considered valuable until Lucas made them valuable...
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Nice, i love that Dune occasionally crops up here and there. It shows that no matter how old the books are they do have an impact.
If the movie is good and is successful at the box office and with the general audience i fully expect memes and phrases to crop up everywhere - the Litany against Fear, Blessed be the Maker etc.
Looking forward to it
