Lower Decks Trailer Analysis

[Kpnuts]

So one shot means I should hate it forever ?
At some point it just comes across as petty and mean-spirited. Even if it isn't the intention.

As I said above, turbolifts have had many oddities. The Bird of Prey explosion reuse is painful to watch. The matte paintings are reused over and again.

At this point I think life would be better without Trek. If all these are so bad

Your low expectations on everything are a production team's dream.

"Sloppy and unfocused" are a good way to describe Discovery and Picard. How else do you explain the constantly changing tone of DIS or the "thoughtful character drama" from early Picard and DIS season 2 to the OTT AI destroying the galaxy latter off storylines. I'm still going to put the blame on both shows having 15+ producers. Too many cooks and all that.

The Mandalorian, a series in a similar boat to CBSTrek, has one showrunner (Favreau), one executive producer/SW guru (Filoni), and the head of Lucasfilm in charge. The first two also write all the episodes, and there's the Story Group to make sure the legacy of the franchise is respected in terms of the details and overall tone/visuals (something I wish Trek cared enough about to have). That's it, a nice tight production.

Discovery and Picard seem to have a million different voices, and it shows.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Obviously there are, because people are here talking about it.

That's their interpretation. Reality might be different

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm still going to put the blame on both shows having 15+ producers.

Most of those producers just collect a paycheck. They have little to do with the writing, production or direction of the show.

 

[BillJ]

I'm still going to put the blame on both shows having 15+ producers. Too many cooks and all that.

I think it is more that they keep changing showrunners midstream.

 

[Kpnuts]

Most of those producers just collect a paycheck. They have little to do with the writing, production or direction of the show.

Not at all the sign of a sloppy and unfocused production though?

 

[Tim Thomason]

So one shot means I should hate it forever ?
At some point it just comes across as petty and mean-spirited. Even if it isn't the intention.

As I said above, turbolifts have had many oddities. The Bird of Prey explosion reuse is painful to watch. The matte paintings are reused over and again.

At this point I think life would be better without Trek. If all these are so bad

Three or four shots of the turbo-turbolift. On both the Crossfield-class Discovery and then the Constitution-class Enterprise (thanks, Q&A), so the explanation given that it was merely to account for all the supposed missing space on the Discovery doesn't hold water when it somehow exists on the Enterprise as well.

For the turbo-turbolift, I just have to shrug and accept that what I'm seeing isn't what is happening.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not at all the sign of a sloppy and unfocused production though?

Why would it be? Do you think Eugene Roddenberry and Trevor Roth have any thing to do with the shows' productions? They get a producer credit because Roddenberry Entertainment is involved. Some of the "producers" are one offs because they directed an episode. Fuller gets a producer credit because he created DISCO, but is long gone from the production. If a producer's name pops up in the writing credits they're probably actually involved with the production.

 

[fireproof78]

Your low expectations on everything are a production team's dream.

Yes, how dare I enjoy a production despite its faults...?

Is the turbolift a problem? Yeah, it's ugly busy and annoying. Is it such a problem that it indicates apathy on the part of the production team? I don't see it that way. And, the constant insinuation that this production team is so apathetic as to produce sloppy work is rather tiresome. But, if one believes so then perhaps one should write to the production team to make that known.

No. But it points to a sloppy unfocused production, and that can affect how people feel about it. Much like the D-7 flub in season one.

I just don't think the D7 is that big of a flub.

But, its clearly a mileage will vary. Maybe it's all these little things that stack up that diminish enjoyment? Would that be a better way of putting it?

I think it is more that they keep changing showrunners midstream.

This. I do think this has a huge impact upon the tone of the show.

Who is saying that, though?

Sorry, slight hyperbole. I just feel like the focus on the VFX is losing sight of the forest for the trees.

 

[Trekker4747]

If they're not going to treat the look and the premise of thing seriously, why should we care? That's sort of the problem, they wanted more style over substance. It'd look cool to have crazy, open, space with cars zipping around on roller coaster rails it'd look cooler than an elevator car in a shaft, so we'll do that! I personally find it ridiculous and if they're not going to treat thing seriously then why bother with the whole thing at all? It from what I can tell there's a lot of stuff in Disc like this where they just throw reason out the window, or establish continuity/canon because it looks cool or just has some dramatic/story telling element they want to do. Didn't someone survive a torpedo explosion simply by closing a door between two rooms?

They have automated drones when how many times over the course of the franchise we've seen single people have to take a risk or be ordered to take a risk to save the ship? I mean, gee, the automated R2-D2-like drones sure would have come in handy when Spock needed to futz with the dilithium chamber in TWK, and Geordi seemed really amazed at the exocomps in "Quality of Life" when apparently the Enterprise or Discovery dispatched numbers of drones to effect repairs on the ship during battle. It's that kind of stuff that just turns me off on Discovery, if they're not going to take things seriously or even try and be consistent with stuff then why pay them any bother?

 

[The Old Mixer]

If you’re doing a super dramatic story like Discovery tries to do, then the funhouse turbo lifts are as appropriate as having Bozo the Clown in the captain’s chair.

That there is just begging for a photoshop...!

 

[tomswift2002]

I'm sure they'll miss you.

Why all the angst and "analysis" of a trailer for a freaking cartoon? It's a cartoon. CARTOON.

. Hard to not have angst when the trailers for TAS show a more competent and professionally done show than this amateurish garbage. Also, if this is to be for children as well, why does it delve into porn territory with a fully naked man (yeah the other series featured naked people, but they usually hid the sensitive area, like Q appearing on the D or Phlox walking around the NX and having a table blocking his groin).

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[BillJ]

Also, if this is to be for children as well...

Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the show is for children. There’s another animated show in the pipeline for Nickelodeon that is supposed to be for children.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hard to not have angst when the trailers for TAS show a more competent and professionally done show than this amateurish garbage.

Not seeing how it's incompetent, unprofessional or amateurish. Not to your taste doesn't mean any of those.

Also, if this is to be for children...

It's not for children.

 

[BillJ]

Not seeing how it's incompetent, unprofessional or amateurish. Not to your taste doesn't mean any of those.

As much as I like TAS, I don’t know how one can call the production values of Lower Decks as anything listed above. TAS was chock full of animation mistakes.

 

[Tuskin38]

Also, if this is to be for children

It isn't. It's rated 14+.

 

[Trekker4747]

As much as I like TAS, I don’t know how one can call the production values of Lower Decks as anything listed above. TAS was chock full of animation mistakes.

Every cartoon really is, but I'd argue the look and style of it is better looking rather than it looking like, well, a typical cartoon.

 

[fireproof78]

Hard to not have angst when the trailers for TAS show a more competent and professionally done show than this amateurish garbage.

The ability to determine this from a trailer continues to astound me.

Also, if this is to be for children as well,

Since it's not this is a nonissue.

 

[eschaton]

If they're not going to treat the look and the premise of thing seriously, why should we care? That's sort of the problem, they wanted more style over substance. It'd look cool to have crazy, open, space with cars zipping around on roller coaster rails it'd look cooler than an elevator car in a shaft, so we'll do that! I personally find it ridiculous and if they're not going to treat thing seriously then why bother with the whole thing at all? It from what I can tell there's a lot of stuff in Disc like this where they just throw reason out the window, or establish continuity/canon because it looks cool or just has some dramatic/story telling element they want to do. Didn't someone survive a torpedo explosion simply by closing a door between two rooms?

It has been observed that in general Kurtzman seems to be trying to pivot Star Trek into being a "MCU" for CBS. I mean, I don't mean to diss fans of comic books, and of course Trek has never been anything approaching hard science fiction. But there does seem to be a general looseness to in-universe reality which is similar to superhero comics. Trek's historic norm was more "it's all absolute nonsense we make up as we go along, but at least it's generally consistent nonsense that is approached in a mundane fashion."

 

[tomswift2002]

The ability to determine this from a trailer continues to astound me.

Since it's not this is a nonissue.

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[Trekker4747]

It has been observed that in general Kurtzman seems to be trying to pivot Star Trek into being a "MCU" for CBS. I mean, I don't mean to diss fans of comic books, and of course Trek has never been anything approaching hard science fiction. But there does seem to be a general looseness to in-universe reality which is similar to superhero comics. Trek's historic norm was more "it's all absolute nonsense we make up as we go along, but at least it's generally consistent nonsense that is approached in a mundane fashion."

I think what Kurtzman is doing, if that is his approach, is entirely the problem and is probably why so much hate is heaped his way. No Trek has never been "hard" Sci-Fi but, really, nothing has that's been popular in TV or movies, but Trek has always tried to maintain some level of "reality" or consistency to it to some degree or another. To take a fantastical comic book approach to it is just dumb after 50 years of the show trying to on some level feel as "realistic" as possible while also having the amazing happen and the ships have always been treated as, well, ships as we think of them today. Structures and buildings with layouts that make sense and try and make efficient use of space. But, now, apparently they're just overly fantastical things with massive open spaces in the middle of them filled with roller coasters so people can... Change floors.

It's stupid and Kurtzman deserves the hate heaped his way if making Trek like a comic book movie universe is really his intent to the point where he's making starships like magical fantastical places whose insides are bigger than the outside, then screw him.