James Kirk in "Discovery"?
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This is crazy I admit, How would Burnham react to seeing such a different Spock.
Is he THAT different? I thought Quinto and Peck's young Spock's were very similar.
I'm curious what became of Burnham in the Kelvinverse. Carol's adopted sister, and one of Admiral Marcus' top Section 31 officers?
If Discovery had just been set in the Kelvinverse from jump I wonder how differently it would've been received? It's my suspicion, and hope, that it wouldn't have triggered as many people. That the handwringing over canon issues-of I am also guilty-would haven't been an issue and the series could be judged solely on its merits.
I do wish that Discovery had been set in the Kelvinverse. It already shares similar aesthetics and also a similar tone, if a bit darker. I don't know what kind of licensing-if any-issues prevented CBS from using the Kelvinverse, or maybe there was concern that a series set in the Kelvinverse wouldn't sell, but creatively I wish we had gotten some more exploration of the alternate reality. It would've allowed them to just really go for it with some of the iconic characters.
Absent that, just set Discovery in a completely new reality and let people know that quickly, if not in the very first episode.
As it stands, I do think Discovery fits very well with the Kelvinverse and a crossover could be neat. DISCO's take on Section 31 feels way more like the Kelvinverse than the prime universe already.
Though I can't see them doing a film, but perhaps bringing some of the Kelvinverse characters onto Discovery/CBS All Access. Basically all of the Kelvinverse actors have done television in the last decade or so, so I think any of them might be willing to do something special. If I had my druthers, I would like to see Sulu/Excelsior. Wanted a Prime Universe series, or miniseries, but this would be a good consolation prize.
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To paraphrase the kid heroes of this PBS Kids TV series, 'Whaaaat?'
^THIS.
And it would have been so easy to do a co-production between Paramount, Bad Robot, and CBS-the vanity plates (end logos) would be put together like this: Paramount/Bad Robot/CBS Television Studios! Hell, there are similar co-productions between Warner Bros., MGM, Universal, Lionsgate, Sony Pictures TV, etc, some of them airing on CBS or the CW.
Way too late for that now, unfortunately.
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Welcome to the 21st century.
Vic is wanted by nobody due to whatever sexual harassment he did at conventions (his appearance at a con in Kitchener, Ontario in February was protested very loudly online, with people saying that having him at this con would be triggering for women going to it.) If I were him, I'd be training for a new career.
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^Pardon for asking, but what is SNW?
The new Pike series, Strange New Worlds
I still think we'll see archival footage of Kirk from TOS and The Movies in (I assume) "Unification III" or whenever the Trill bring the crew up to speed on everything that's gone on.
When they're going over their overview of what happened in the rest of the 23rd Century, the 24th Century, and afterwards, it'll be interesting to see how they avoid stepping on the toes of Picard. That'll be a major dance-around to avoid either PIC spoilers or locking PIC into a specific direction.
When they're going over their overview of what happened in the rest of the 23rd Century, the 24th Century, and afterwards, it'll be interesting to see how they avoid stepping on the toes of Picard. That'll be a major dance-around to avoid either PIC spoilers or locking PIC into a specific direction.
We saw and heard Kirk in Ephraim and Dot.
I don't know what the plans are, but I don't expect a fifty-minute dissertation on the history of the Federation over a period of 850 years. Events surrounding Kirk *might* get a mention, mainly because Discovery is from the 23rd century and would be primarily interested in their recent future (and news that they won't seem to return, probably), but stuff that happens 100 or 150 years later will be as interesting as stuff that happens in the 27th or 29th century. If it's not pertinent to the plot, it doesn't need a mention.
The major news, what happened with Romulus, already happened in Picard's recent past, and how the Romulans will ultimately recover will take centuries, probably, and Picard is still dealing with minor aftermath stuff.
Contrary to popular belief, this show loves it's obscure Star Trek references, so I wouldn't put it past them to talk about very minor stuff from TNG and DS9 and even Picard season 1, but I'm having a tough time imagining anything (outside of the supernova) that would be pertinent to them in the 31st century. I mean, the Dominion War was a big thing and all, but probably barely a blip on the radar of the 31st century folk.
If it weren't for one of the tiles being "Unification III" (if true), I wouldn't think twice about anything that happens in Picard. Before the title reveals, I even said myself there's no reason to mention PIC at all in DSC S3 because of the 800-year difference.
But when you have "Unification III" as one of the titles, that invites the question: what became of the Romulans? And I'm guessing Burnham would like to know what Spock did with his life. And, as far as they know, it ended with him trying to stop the destruction of Romulus and failing.
So, IMO, I think they need to address what happened so Burnham knows what Spock accomplished with his life and lets us know where the Romulans are now, but still be vague enough so that PIC has room to move. I'm confident this is what actually happened and they are trying to keep the two shows consistent with each other. I'm just saying it just to say it.
I'm not expecting any references to the Dominion or anything from DS9 or VOY. I'm not even expecting anything referenced from TNG that's outside of "Unification". Other than some vague, "The Federation flourished" and they show a montage of various things, so an image of Kirk or an image of Picard fly by really fast.
Driving it back to Kirk, a tiny look for something else besides just being a famous, legendary Captain. I think he might get an additional look because Burnham would like to know who it was Spock sought out in his life and who might be the person she told Spock to look for.
Or you know people could just accept that it's a tv show and be mature enough to take any visual difference for what they are, modern production values.
I don't think it's merely an issue of maturity, especially when attempts to reconcile some canon discrepancies or questions have been done before. I mean, whenever Berman Trek brought in the Enterprise NCC-1701 or the 23rd century Constitution-class (like the Defiant) they didn't change it, and in part not changing it really hit the nostalgia sweet spot. Further, with Enterprise explaining the Klingon forehead differences, the idea that fans who are disappointed that Discovery doesn't align more visually with TOS from a visual aesthetic, and with zero to little explanation, is not out of bounds.
Despite how people might feel about Axanar I haven't seen anyone complain about the starship designs, and those designs were updated for today's audiences yet still honored what came before in a way that was less disconcerting. How many people are arguing that the starships, uniforms, etc. on Discovery look exactly like those on TOS?
Discovery's creators, which was there right of course, put their own stamp on their series, and if the series had taken place after the last TNG film this wouldn't have been an issue. Personally I like the Discovery uniforms more than the 2399 Picard uniforms (but not the 2280s). Discovery's starships are also better than the few Starfleet vessels we saw in Picard.
Even if Discovery had taken place in the past in periods that we hadn't seen before or saw very rarely I don't think as many feathers would've been ruffled, but it was a tough sell to make these many visual changes and not explain them, especially to a fandom that was used to some explanations. Why make your job even harder than it had to be? Trek has a notoriously fractious fanbase, so getting them on board while also appealing to others is very tough. Enterprise didn't do it, or do it well enough, to stave off cancellation, and even the Abrams films floundered, so why wouldn't CBS do everything they could to lessen fan displeasure from the get go? If nothing else, it shows a respect for what came before and I think that would mollify some skeptics and also give CBS the leeway to take Discovery into places that they might already be anticipating push back from when it comes to Discovery's take on diversity, etc.
Several that I have read. There's a whole thread in "Future of Trek" subforum hoping for turtlenecks, a'la the Cage, return in Strange New Worlds/Pike series.
What's funny about Axanar is that other than the Area (hero ship) the ships appear to be more like Kelvin class style from the Abrams films.
Then I stand corrected. Yes, I do like how Axanar took the Kelvin starships and gave them more of a TOS aesthetic.
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