Spoilers GAME: The Most Disliked Trek Couple -- "PICARD" SPOILERS

[Orphalesion]

Gonna save Ishka and Zek. Yeah Zek is creepy and lecherous and many other negative things
But Moogie is awesome and intelligent and resourceful. She single-handedly kicked off women's liberation on Ferenginar while playing both the Grand Nagus and the whole system like a fiddle.

Kira/Shakaar
Leeta/Bashir
Neelix/Kes
Janeway/Mark
Seven/Chakotay
Phlox/Feezal
Kelvin Uhura/Spock
Jurati/Rios [spoiler tag your elimination reasons]

 

[Discofan]

I don't much care for any of these but there is one that I dislike a little less than the others and it's Seven/Chakotay. They were constantly at odds with each other and sometimes that makes adequate couples.


Kira/Shakaar
Leeta/Bashir
Neelix/Kes
Tuvok/T’Pel
Janeway/Mark
Phlox/Feezal
Kelvin Uhura/Spock
Kelvin Sulu/Ben
Jurati/Rios [spoiler tag your elimination reasons]

 

[Farscape One]

Saving Neelix/Kes.

It's the only one left that appears in more than a couple episodes.


Kira/Shakaar
Leeta/Bashir
Janeway/Mark
Phlox/Feezal
Kelvin Uhura/Spock
Jurati/Rios [spoiler tag your elimination reasons]

 

[Cyfa]

I wanted to save these two ages ago, but there were couples whose relationships were more visible (i.e. seen in more episodes, and therefore explored more) that deserved to be saved first. Now that they're saved, I'm free to save Phlox and Feezal!
I love how the Denobulans' relationships and families were explored on Enterprise, and would have loved to have seen an episode or two with more of Phlox's significant others. Phlox is always a delight to watch, and Feezal's interactions with Trip were quite amusing.

Kira/Shakaar
Leeta/Bashir
Janeway/Mark
Kelvin Uhura/Spock
Jurati/Rios [spoiler tag your elimination reasons]

 

[Discofan]

Saving Kira/Shakaar because it makes more sense than the ones left.



Leeta/Bashir
Janeway/Mark
Kelvin Uhura/Spock
Jurati/Rios [spoiler tag your elimination reasons]

 

[Orphalesion]

I'm gonna save Leeta/Bashir, if only because it eventually led to Leeta/Rom. And really Bashir getting dumped for Rom was hilarious.

Though, Leeta stealing Bashir's teddy bear was not cool.

Janeway/Mark
Kelvin Uhura/Spock
Jurati/Rios [spoiler tag your elimination reasons]

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Gonna save Janeway/Mark weirdly because they broke up. I thought it was a much more real and human end than to have Janeways partner sitting there pining for 7 to 70 years like a perfect loyal hero.

Kelvin Uhura/Spock
Jurati/Rios [spoiler tag your elimination reasons]

 

[Seven of Five]

I think these are both pretty solid relationships that are left, in fairness.

I think that I preferred Uhura/Spock as I thought it was a very different look at a very popular character. Saldana and Quinto played their roles very believably.

Jurati/Rios wins.

 

[Xhiandra]

Wanted Kes/Neelix to win. Not only is Neelix the worst character in Trek, but his relationship with Kes was really creepy.

He's apparently 34. And she's 1. Sure, "1" in Ocampa isn't "1" in Talaxian, but that's still a massive gap, and "1" in Ocampa is still very young. In fact, Kes isn't supposed to get her puberty equivalent for a long time in Ocampan years.

 

[Orphalesion]

Wanted Kes/Neelix to win. Not only is Neelix the worst character in Trek, but his relationship with Kes was really creepy.

He's apparently 34. And she's 1. Sure, "1" in Ocampa isn't "1" in Talaxian, but that's still a massive gap, and "1" in Ocampa is still very young. In fact, Kes isn't supposed to get her puberty equivalent for a long time in Ocampan years.

While I'm not a fan of Neelix and agree that their relationship was pretty creepy/awful/annoying, I don't quite agree with that assessment.
Kes was clearly a young adult, both physically and mentally. That wasn't puberty she went into in that one episode, rather it was a temporary phase in which her body is capable of conceiving a child, like several mammals on earth have them (humans are unusual in that female humans are fertile year round)
Only that, in the case of the Ocampa that fertile phase apparently only comes around once in their lives, meaning that their population logically should half each generation (and that is if every Ocampa woman does reproduce). But very little about the Ocampa made sense.

The relationship is still creepy because Neelix exploits Kes being sheltered and inexperienced and uses those aspects to manipulate her.

Makes me think...were there ever Trek characters that were as ill-conceived as Neelix and Kes? I mean Kes would have been salvageable if they had removed the "mayfly" aspect, but Neelix? The only way to improve him would be to scrap the character and write a different one.

 

[Seven of Five]

Kes and Neelix is definitely an odd relationship, in retrospect. It's in my bottom 3, along with Ishka and Zek, and Bashir and Leeta,

 

[Sakonna]

I've been rewatching early Voyager recently, and it really is stunning how different Kes & Neelix are at the beginning. They're a FANTASTIC couple -- for two episodes! And it does kind of feel like they're the same "age" at the beginning, they both seem coded as mid/late 20's -- Neelix feels sooooo much younger at the start then he does in the rest of the series. For the life of me I don't know why they discarded this Scrappy-Hustler-Junk-Dealer persona in favor of the Pervy-Or-Just-Eccentric?-Schlubby-Uncle vibe he had the rest of the series.

And as his character is adjusted to feel older and pervier, hers kept being adjusted to feel younger and softer and more delicate and fragile, until the two of them together is just repulsive.

I kind of like Jurati/Rios! KIND OF.

Spoiler

I thought they did a great job building that relationship, but I am potentially sickened by her character. She seemed to shake any guilt over COMMITTING MURDER with such ease! Like, for the life of me I cannot understand why they had her in her right mind for that, if they didn't want to really deal with it. I have seen PLENTY of Star Trek heroes commit murders and do other horrible things over the years, but they were always possessed, so it's fine, no problem, we can just forget it next week. But Agnes knew what she was doing, she was in control of herself and making a choice to murder, she was murdering in a way that was brutal and horrible to witness, and her victim was her beloved mentor and ex-lover, she was killing him to stop him from cooperating with a cause THAT SHE THEN HERSELF IMMEDIATELY JOINED -- her actions were sooooooooo extreme, it really feels like this act and trying to atone for it is what should define and drive her for the rest of her life, and anything less than that makes her a reprehensible sociopath.

They could maybe fix all this in season 2, but I didn't like the way it was headed when we left off, it felt like they wanted to get away from that plot point as quickly as possible.

Thanks all for playing! This list is always an interesting one. Hope to see you all on the next one, going up shortly: "The Most Disliked Vaughn Armstrong Appearance"

MOST DISLIKED "WINNER"LOSERS, 2020
"HEY, THIS PLANET IS JUST LIKE EARTH!": TOS, Season 1: "Miri"
WRITER GENE RODDENBERRY: TOS, Season 2: "The Omega Glory"
WRITER D.C. FONTANA: TNG, Season 1: "Too Short A Season"
DIRECTOR CLIFF BOLE: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
TREK NOIR: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
SEASON PREMIERE: TNG, Season 7: "Descent, Part II"
PRIME DIRECTIVE: TNG, Season 7: "Homeward"
WRITER RONALD D. MOORE: TNG, Season 7: "Journey's End"
DIRECTOR LES LANDAU: TNG, Season 7: "Bloodlines"
LWAXANA: DS9, Season 1: "The Forsaken"
ROMANCE OF THE WEEK: DS9, Season 3: "Meridian"
FERENGI: DS9, Season 7: "The Emperor's New Cloak"
DIRECTOR WINRICH KOLBE: VOY, Season 2: "Elogium"
CARDASSIANS: VOY, Season 2: "Investigations"
HOLIDAY: VOY, Season 4: "Day Of Honor"
HOLODECK: VOY, Season 6: "Fair Haven"
DIRECTOR DAVID LIVINGSTON: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
COMEDIC/LIGHT-HEARTED: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
TIME TRAVEL/ANOMALY/LOOP: VOY, Season 6: “Fury”
MAQUIS: VOY, Season 7: "Repression"
BARCLAY: VOY, Season 7: "Inside Man"
Q: VOY, Season 7: "Q2"
BORG: VOY, Season 7: "Endgame"
LATIN TITLE: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
2-HOUR/2-PART: ENT, Season 1 & 2: "Shockwave"
VISIT TO EARTH'S "PRESENT": ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
KLINGONS: ENT, Season 2: "Marauders"
DIRECTOR MIKE VEJAR: ENT, Season 2: "Marauders"
HALLUCINATION/ILLUSION: ENT, Season 3: "Extinction"
VISIT TO EARTH'S PAST: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
THR'S 100 GREATEST TREK EPS: ENT, Season 4: "Home"
CAST CROSSOVER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
DIRECTOR ALLAN KROEKER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
MIRROR UNIVERSE: DIS, Season 1: "What's Past Is Prologue"
INTRODUCTION OF RECURRING ALIENS: DIS, Season 2: "An Obol For Charon" (the jahSepp)
SECTION 31: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
RECYCLED TITLE: ST, Season 2: "Children Of Mars"
ROMULANS: PIC, Season 1: "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"
COUPLE: PIC: Jurati/Rios

TOTAL SHOW WINS
TAS & Movies - 0 wins
ST - 1 win each
TOS and PIC - 2 wins each
DS9 and DIS - 3 wins each
TNG - 7 wins
ENT - 10 wins
VOY - 11 wins

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Neelix did look like he would have some edge to him in caretaker but I can't see post caretaker Neelix trying to pull the kind of stunts he did that day

 

[PR109]

Winn and Dukat are so different yet so much alike. Winn doesn't really care about the well beings of Bajorans and Dukat doesn't really care about the average cardassian citizens. Both of them only care about power and risked their people in unnecessary dire situations that either resulted in war or missionary power. They're both disgusting, highly unlikable people and yet so compelling in each scene. They both display how treacherous and flawed humanoids are.