Ben Shapiro Reviews The Rise of The Skywalker

[Tosk]

Can we not with the politics here? It's not going to go well.

I mean, the thread is about a political commentator so it's not unexpected at least.

 

[fireproof78]

I mean, the thread is about a political commentator so it's not unexpected at least.

Yes, I know. But, I also know where it will lead.

 

[Tosk]

To a lock.

 

[valkyrie013]

LOCK LOCK LOCK!!

 

[Awesome Possum]

The trick of Ben Shapiro is to talk a lot and really fast. Makes his followers think he has a lot of arguments and doesn't give them time to realize those arguments are stupid. He's of the terrible breed of "every evil comes from the other side of the political spectrum" commentators. He contradicts himself a lot in that process, too.

There are certainly better conservative commentators out there, Saagar Enjeti for example, who are actually smart and/or honest actors.

He's really good at playing a smart guy for really dumb people. Good for him, there are plenty of suckers for him to grift off of and they're happy to eat it up because they think it's makes them smarter for agreeing with him. Always on awful shit based on ignorance and bigotry.

Admittedly I find this post very humorous. It’s not just the hostility towards him or the framing of status but the pure nature of opposition to common sense. That’s what Shapiro does. He articulates common sense although I’m the first to admit that such sense is very uncommon amongst left wing ideologues.

The irony is that he comes out on top of nearly every debate he is in because of demonstration and support. Those who oppose him emotionally such as yourself tend to be running their mindset via indoctrination, sociological theory and post modernist intersectional culture. Being full of contradictions, these methods get destroyed by facts and logic because they are a misled faith of sorts.

Anyway, I’m certainly not trying to convince you of his validity but just to express that I find this method of criticism quite hilarious. It’s one of fabrication, disgust and inflating the intellectual capacity of the gullible.

Oh honey, no.

 

[Jayson1]

I would actually pay to see Ben Shapiro review, American Pie: Beta House.

Jason

 

[Ocanain]

He's really good at playing a smart guy for really dumb people. Good for him, there are plenty of suckers for him to grift off of and they're happy to eat it up because they think it's makes them smarter for agreeing with him. Always on awful shit based on ignorance and bigotry.



Oh honey, no.

What a bizarre point of view in asserting that people of low intellect feel smarter for agreeing with clear and concise factual information. I wouldn’t know if that’s accurate but it’s an amusing theory. I’d say it’s more likely to be an offended defensiveness on your part but I can see how you may use such fallacy as an emotional comfort.

Smart people agree with him because he illustrates the logic of his assertions and supports them with pertinent data. Many left wing individuals label that as ignorance and bigotry because the truth clashes with their unsupported theories (gender theory, transgenderism, Intersectional discrimination, patriarchy, white privilege, hate speech etc) and therefore maintain a hostile emotional response or a faux-condescension as seen here. That’s exactly the reason why he has found success with his novel slogans like ‘facts don’t care about your feelings’ or ‘leftist years’.

As an addition, people with conviction and intellectual prowess don’t need to fabricate that they’re smarter than others or behave in a patronising way, nor do they need outrage and unfounded slurs of bigotry- they put forth coherent arguments and supported views. Faux elitism and leftism go hand in hand.

 

[Awesome Possum]

What a bizarre point of view in asserting that people of low intellect feel smarter for agreeing with clear and concise factual information. I wouldn’t know if that’s accurate but it’s an amusing theory. I’d say it’s more likely to be an offended defensiveness on your part but I can see how you may use such fallacy as an emotional comfort.

Smart people agree with him because he illustrates the logic of his assertions and supports them with pertinent data. Many left wing individuals label that as ignorance and bigotry because the truth clashes with their unsupported theories (gender theory, transgenderism, Intersectional discrimination, patriarchy, white privilege, hate speech etc) and therefore maintain a hostile emotional response or a faux-condescension as seen here. That’s exactly the reason why he has found success with his novel slogans like ‘facts don’t care about your feelings’ or ‘leftist years’.

As an addition, people with conviction and intellectual prowess don’t need to fabricate that they’re smarter than others or behave in a patronising way, nor do they need outrage and unfounded slurs of bigotry- they put forth coherent arguments and supported views. Faux elitism and leftism go hand in hand.

I see you like using big words because they make your utter nonsense sound intelligent. Shapiro has proven none of what he claims, he just asserts like you're asserting that he's accurate without a shred of evidence to support any of it. Also patronizing has a 'z". If facts don't care about your feelings, show the facts. Especially on "transgenderism", because there's been a lot of medical research done of that and it all proves the claims of trans people.
Single article detailing various forms of evidence.
There's a lot more, a simple Google search can show that. So I can post more and even in pretty easy to understand terms. Now I've heard the other idea that it's just male and female, something no biologist agrees with given that a significant percentage of the population is intersex. There's more intersex people than redheads. The two sexes idea is a sixth grade understanding of biology and humans in particular. There are no binaries in nature, nature is messy and DNA does weird things given enough time. You're just seeing what is typical and assuming that it's the default. Assuming that's there's no such thing as trans people is like assuming that there is no such thing as left-handed people because there are more right-handed ones and you've never met a single left-handed person.

So do you have any evidence? From respected sources with references and data to back it up.

 

[Tosk]

There's more intersex people than redheads.

Except in Scotland. Probably.

 

[Ocanain]

I see you like using big words because they make your utter nonsense sound intelligent. Shapiro has proven none of what he claims, he just asserts like you're asserting that he's accurate without a shred of evidence to support any of it. Also patronizing has a 'z". If facts don't care about your feelings, show the facts. Especially on "transgenderism", because there's been a lot of medical research done of that and it all proves the claims of trans people.
Single article detailing various forms of evidence.
There's a lot more, a simple Google search can show that. So I can post more and even in pretty easy to understand terms. Now I've heard the other idea that it's just male and female, something no biologist agrees with given that a significant percentage of the population is intersex. There's more intersex people than redheads. The two sexes idea is a sixth grade understanding of biology and humans in particular. There are no binaries in nature, nature is messy and DNA does weird things given enough time. You're just seeing what is typical and assuming that it's the default. Assuming that's there's no such thing as trans people is like assuming that there is no such thing as left-handed people because there are more right-handed ones and you've never met a single left-handed person.

So do you have any evidence? From respected sources with references and data to back it up.

Dear me. Getting quite emotional aren’t we?

I write how I write and I hardly see how your inferiority issues are my concern especially where limited intelligence or vocabulary are concerned. Besides the ‘z’ in patronising is simply the American bastardisation of the English spelling. English? Familiar with that language?

Look at all this indoctrinated nonsense you have here. Not only is it entirely inaccurate but a remarkable statement from someone who claims to be intelligent.

Let’s start with transgenderism or the more accurate term Gender Dysphoria. It’s caused by a development disorder due to neural disconnection in the womb. That disconnection has been studied quite thoroughly and causes a neurological disconnection to the awareness of binary gender which means you’re a man and you don’t have proper connection to it, not your a woman in a mans body.

Intersex rates are at 0.018% and redheads at 2.7% so you’re off by a mile.(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/)

Binary is the natural state of humanity and all animals, naxalt fallacies not withstanding. Even the Lgbtetc community features bisexuality in their spectrum. These sociological theories you are running with all have their respective flaws and contradictions and I’m afraid you’ve gobbled them all up without an objective thought. Two sexes is biology full stop so your claim is that no biologist practise biology. This is clearly nonsense. Biology, neurology, microbiology, physiology, genetic and genomics- they all support binary gender. The only thing that doesn’t is intersectional sociology. While we are on DNA, let’s face it: what you know about DNA I could fit into a matchbox without taking the matches out first.

I understand that some are vulnerable to accepting sociological theory and in the delusion that it’s commentary is one on all sciences but it’s not. It’s based on the view that all things lie in the purview of the social construct and sciences like biology and genetics request that. You are going to need a lot more than a vague appeal to authority to make an empirical justification.

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/docLib/20160819_TNA50SexualityandGender.pdf

https://thenextweb.com/science/2019...nking-the-age-old-myth-of-the-gendered-brain/

 

[Ithekro]

The thread came out in January and the last post was also January.

No Youtuber's vid is worth that much just to hot button taunt at the locals after four months of nothing.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Dear me. Getting quite emotional aren’t we?

I write how I write and I hardly see how your inferiority issues are my concern especially where limited intelligence or vocabulary are concerned. Besides the ‘z’ in patronising is simply the American bastardisation of the English spelling. English? Familiar with that language?

Look at all this indoctrinated nonsense you have here. Not only is it entirely inaccurate but a remarkable statement from someone who claims to be intelligent.

Let’s start with transgenderism or the more accurate term Gender Dysphoria. It’s caused by a development disorder due to neural disconnection in the womb. That disconnection has been studied quite thoroughly and causes a neurological disconnection to the awareness of binary gender which means you’re a man and you don’t have proper connection to it, not your a woman in a mans body.

Intersex rates are at 0.018% and redheads at 2.7% so you’re off by a mile.(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12476264/)

Binary is the natural state of humanity and all animals, naxalt fallacies not withstanding. Even the Lgbtetc community features bisexuality in their spectrum. These sociological theories you are running with all have their respective flaws and contradictions and I’m afraid you’ve gobbled them all up without an objective thought. Two sexes is biology full stop so your claim is that no biologist practise biology. This is clearly nonsense. Biology, neurology, microbiology, physiology, genetic and genomics- they all support binary gender. The only thing that doesn’t is intersectional sociology. While we are on DNA, let’s face it: what you know about DNA I could fit into a matchbox without taking the matches out first.

I understand that some are vulnerable to accepting sociological theory and in the delusion that it’s commentary is one on all sciences but it’s not. It’s based on the view that all things lie in the purview of the social construct and sciences like biology and genetics request that. You are going to need a lot more than a vague appeal to authority to make an empirical justification.

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/docLib/20160819_TNA50SexualityandGender.pdf

https://thenextweb.com/science/2019...nking-the-age-old-myth-of-the-gendered-brain/

I'm not sure why you would call text emotional other than an attempt to discredit anything I said. You're trying to tear me down instead of my argument because that's what Benji taught you. It's not how you debate, it's how you impress people dumber than yourself that you're right about incorrect things. I would suggest actually learning how to debate and not listen to a man who has to edit his videos to make himself look better.

Also an article from a right-wing think tank and a tech blog isn't proof of anything but bias, I need a peer reviewed article. In reality every accredited medical organization support the claims of transgender people.

You should actually look in the statements of actual biologists. The idea that sex is binary is entirely social, it's not evident in human biology or biology in general. It's feelings, not facts.

 

[Tosk]

If I had to guess, this was the plan all along.

 

[Soong-type Android]

The thread came out in January and the last post was also January.

No Youtuber's vid is worth that much just to hot button taunt at the locals after four months of nothing.

Indeed. I'm not sure why Shapiro's views of a film are particularly noteworthy as to deserve a thread devoted to it.

 

[Awesome Possum]

If I had to guess, this was the plan all along.

Pretty much and it doesn't really require any hard work or research. Just dismiss someone, post bullshit links and pretend you're right without proof. Then you claim victory when your opponent leaves in disgust or just gets bored.

But I'm not even trying to convince him. His mind is made up and he will ignore any evidence because he knows he's right in the same sense people in cults know they're right. But others will read it and see what the evidence shows. It helps them.

Indeed. I'm not sure why Shapiro's views of a film are particularly noteworthy as to deserve a thread devoted to it.

I consider it a personal failing that I even know who is. The fact that some people actually respect him really shows the failure of education systems. People ignore facts and follow comforting lies told to them by smug little men who runs away when challenged.

 

[Ocanain]

It's worldwide, but

I'm not sure why you would call text emotional other than an attempt to discredit anything I said. You're trying to tear me down instead of my argument because that's what Benji taught you. It's not how you debate, it's how you impress people dumber than yourself that you're right about incorrect things. I would suggest actually learning how to debate and not listen to a man who has to edit his videos to make himself look better.

Also an article from a right-wing think tank and a tech blog isn't proof of anything but bias, I need a peer reviewed article. In reality every accredited medical organization support the claims of transgender people.

You should actually look in the statements of actual biologists. The idea that sex is binary is entirely social, it's not evident in human biology or biology in general. It's feelings, not facts.

I call it emotional because of the hostility and emotional nature of what it expresses, not the format of its characters. I’m not addressing you at all in fact and I’m also addressing your personal attacks (such as how I write or insinuations of stupidity) with direct logical explanations. Forgive me if I don’t take advice on how to debate from someone who displays your level of maturity and melodrama.

Both references have no association with any political affiliation but I had a hunch you would complain unless I posted links you agree with. It’s of little import. I’m happy to supply further references if you’re serious about the investigation and not just using them to satisfy some political competitiveness. If not you can simply look up Gender Dysphoria or gendered brain articles that are plentiful, even to left wing outlets.

I think you may be confused about what constitutes as human biology and human sociology. All biologists affirm to biological gender differences from everything from brain size, cranium thickness, hormone array, bone strength, gentials (of course) and muscular systems, limbic systems etc. All are binary. That is the state of human biology.

Every accredited medical organisation doesn’t accept transgender people as actualities and even if that was the case it would serve as a scientific authority. There is nothing you have offered that isn’t indoctrination or theory. Perhaps if you had some foundation to your argument you would indeed be in a position to criticise Shapiro- which you are currently are miles away from.

 

[Borgminister]

You dismiss the brain, and that is you're downfall. It's not all physical systems. But why not come to TNZ and engage in on-topic debate? Just a thought.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I call it emotional because of the hostility and emotional nature of what it expresses, not the format of its characters. I’m not addressing you at all in fact and I’m also addressing your personal attacks (such as how I write or insinuations of stupidity) with direct logical explanations. Forgive me if I don’t take advice on how to debate from someone who displays your level of maturity and melodrama.

Both references have no association with any political affiliation but I had a hunch you would complain unless I posted links you agree with. It’s of little import. I’m happy to supply further references if you’re serious about the investigation and not just using them to satisfy some political competitiveness. If not you can simply look up Gender Dysphoria or gendered brain articles that are plentiful, even to left wing outlets.

I think you may be confused about what constitutes as human biology and human sociology. All biologists affirm to biological gender differences from everything from brain size, cranium thickness, hormone array, bone strength, gentials (of course) and muscular systems, limbic systems etc. All are binary. That is the state of human biology.

Every accredited medical organisation doesn’t accept transgender people as actualities and even if that was the case it would serve as a scientific authority. There is nothing you have offered that isn’t indoctrination or theory. Perhaps if you had some foundation to your argument you would indeed be in a position to criticise Shapiro- which you are currently are miles away from.

Gender dysphoria is in the DSM-V.

Gender dysphoria (GD) according to Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental disorders (DSM 5) is defined as a “marked incongruence between their experienced or expressed gender and the one they were assigned at birth.” It was previously termed "gender identity disorder."

Children or adolescents who experience this turmoil cannot correlate to their gender expression when identifying themselves within traditional societal binary male or female roles, which may cause cultural stigmatization.

This can further lead to relationship conflicts with family, peers, friends in various aspects of their daily lives and lead to rejection from society, interpersonal conflicts, symptoms of depression and anxiety, substance use disorders, a negative sense of well-being and poor self-esteem, and increased risk of self-harm and suicidality.

More awareness needs to be created to perceive gender expression as a continuum from male to female rather than fixed binary norms. This might help society to understand the population and reduce the burden of mental health problems created by the associated stigma.

The recommended treatment is transitioning which alleviates gender dysphoria. In fact it's the only treatment that seems to work.

A little important detail from the second link.

gender dysphoria [is] an organic pathology as suggested by available data and not entirely behavioral, as it was previously thought to be, we can try to maximize care and improve outcomes.

 

[Ocanain]

Pretty much and it doesn't really require any hard work or research. Just dismiss someone, post bullshit links and pretend you're right without proof. Then you claim victory when your opponent leaves in disgust or just gets bored.

But I'm not even trying to convince him. His mind is made up and he will ignore any evidence because he knows he's right in the same sense people in cults know they're right. But others will read it and see what the evidence shows. It helps them.


I consider it a personal failing that I even know who is. The fact that some people actually respect him really shows the failure of education systems. People ignore facts and follow comforting lies told to them by smug little men who runs away when challenged.

This is the excuse for a poor argument, is it? Your adherence to a flawed ideology, ignorance to neurological science and discrediting nonsense of cults and confidence? How odd.

There needs to be evidence for me to ignore evidence. You’ve provided theories based on MRI interpretations while you evade empirical biology and neuroscience. Even the studies that you’ve linked to highlight the flaws openly in their own papers, all while you tell me what kind of person I am; that conveniently omits your need to make a valid point.

Take the DSMV. You feature one of numerous recommendations as the primary course of action without referring to increasing detransition rates or that the purpose is to address psychological impact of gender dysphoria- not validate the theory of transgenderism. The DSMV also categorises ASD into 12 memogroups that are for mainstream assessment of welfare and not definition of the disorder, genetic, neurological or otherwise.

There are questions to be asked. It’s not just a competition of links and personal jibes. The neurological features of these studies are based on sexual awareness in neuronic scans, particularly the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis. This fluctuates with anxiety and has no solid evidence of association with gender. Do you have information regarding synapse indications that establish this to support your claim? No? Do you have evidence to support the overwhelming data of the non-gendered brain? No?

Do you in fact have anything to contribute beyond opinions on how sociological theory applies and political application is active through the AMA? I thought so.

It’s all melodramatic posturing and patronising neotony. Read your sources and realise what they are saying. These studies you offer need to present more than confirmation bias to be used to assert your claim. I’m happy to accept if I’m wrong. Can you?

 

[cooleddie74]

Shapiro is an idiot. And I realize that's an insult to the world's distinguished idiots.

He's overrated even for a conservative blowhard.