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The conflicting accounts of Nichelle Nichols meeting MLK (with sources)

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I'm adapting this from a Reddit comment I made. Since I spent all the time chasing down the links for that, I thought it should be copied to somewhere that it's a little more relevant than r/television. I want to make it clear right from the start that I'm not accusing Nichelle Nichols of active dishonesty or malicious deception. I'm a big fan of Stan Lee, and he's made some inconsistent claims too. It happens when you're a celebrity and you tell the same story a bunch of times. It's like you're playing a game of telephone with yourself. But in the interest of historical accuracy, I think we should be realistic about the fact that we don't really know exactly what happened...

The story of MLK convincing Nichelle Nichols to not quit Star Trek is often told, but I feel the need to point out that this tale has some indications of a "fish story" that grew larger in the telling. For instance, in this interview, Nichols describes meeting MLK and immediately having that conversation about how she was thinking about quitting and he tells her not to. In other accounts (such as this one), her in-person meeting with MLK was just a passing greeting, as often happens with one celebrity meeting another, and then it was a later phone call where he urged her not to quit. In fact, there was even a Reddit AMA where Nichols specifically says that the phone call was "quite some time after I first met him," contrary to the immediacy that there seemed to be in that first version of the story (that also came straight from her). There's also a less common version where she just received a letter from MLK (this one seems the least likely to me, not just because of how rarely that version comes up, but also because if such a letter existed, I think we would've seen it by now).

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying none of this happened. It's probable that there's some kernel of truth to the story, but we need to be realistic about the fact that we don't know exactly what it is, given the conflicting accounts. In that AMA comment, Nichols even acknowledges herself that "I had several conversations with him over the years, and it sounds like the stories have gotten mixed and confused."
 
We've dug into this some and have a lot of data on this, but we're still digging. There's one holy Grail interview with her we've been trying to get our hands on with—thus far—little success.

As with so many stories around the original show, we strongly suspect this one has been telephoned all out of proportion.
 
I tend to think 80% of Nichelle’s story is misremembered or made up. At the same time I don’t argue with people about it because I figure she’s entitled to whatever story she wants. She was important and influential and yet was totally shafted on that show and in the films.
 
Well...Roddenberry did promise her one thing, financially, and then had the studio turn around and offer her significantly less for the part. But he loved making promises and hated delivering bad news, so that was on brand for him.

Nichelle certainly fared better than Grace Lee Whitney, although considering how Whitney was treated, that's a pretty low bar.
 
She got a recurring part on network TV and then got to be in 6 films. She was talented, and did fine. She wasn't cheated of pay or fired like Whitney, so I don't think "shafted" is accurate.
I think having a talented actress at your disposal and making her nothing but a constantly sidelined telephone board operator for 25 years is criminal. The character should have had more to do, especially in the films.
 
She got to do her fan dance, and lock Mr. Adventure in a closet!

:shrug:

Anyway, I thought I remembered her saying at a convention it was a letter from MLK.
 
She got to do her fan dance, and lock Mr. Adventure in a closet!

:shrug:

Anyway, I thought I remembered her saying at a convention it was a letter from MLK.
This is what we've heard, or that it was a phone call, or a "what would MLK do?" moment, but there seem to be no written accounts or recordings of her saying this. The earliest Nichols-MLK in print reference we've found is during the movies era.
 
Well...Roddenberry did promise her one thing, financially, and then had the studio turn around and offer her significantly less for the part. But he loved making promises and hated delivering bad news, so that was on brand for him.
Didn't know that reneged promise -- that's a shafting, yes.
...What's that? Roddenberry didn't keep his word about something and screwed over somebody in the process? I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I say!

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I have to say that the misrememberings are likely a more recent development than most believe. I heard NIchelle Nichols speak at conventions several times over about thirty years, and her story was remarkably consistent over that period. The nature of the party/social gathering/industry shindig was about the only thing that wasn't. As such, she was either remarkably on message over that time, or there was more there there than she's been given credit for.
 
I don't get it. What's the oldest in print or on tape version that anybody can find? Whether it's from the 80s or the 90s or the 70. Wouldn't that be the place to start the oldest one would more than likely be the most accurate? Assuming she was telling the truth to the best of her memory the oldest one would be the most accurate. I'm surprised there aren't some old interviews from way back in the seventies when she was doing conventions.
 
Oldest print/video reference we have found to her mentioning MLK is in a newspaper piece published the day after TMP came out, where she doesn't say boo about him talking her out of leaving the show, just that he was "a close friend," and that he was proud of the Uhura character, and that her being there was important, etc. That was 12.5 years after his passing. No interviews we've seen with her (and there are quite a few) mention his name prior to that. That doesn't mean there aren't any...just that we haven't found them.
 
But is the interview a sit-down -- where she would have had time to elaborate. Where she would have had to time to tell the so-called full version of the story where he talked her out of quitting the show. I mean she's giving an interview and she has this wonderful story about how she would have left the show had MLK not talked her out of it that's not the kind of story you would leave out and save for later date.
But if it's just a quick couple of words she had to a journalist before being interrupted then maybe she didn't get to tell the full story. I mean seriously she was doing conventions in the seventies that's when they caught on the first half of the 70s. Logically there's no way doing conventions in the 70s and she's on stage doing question-and-answer sessions and presentations about her career and she's going to leave such a wonderful story in the vault until 1979? She had to have told that story before that point. She had to have given interviews before that point.
 
I'm fairly content to accept that he did at least in some manner express to her, as a major civil rights leader, the value of her role to their cause, at some time or another

The extent to which, the specifics therein, what its effect was, these are all details I'm OK letting be somewhat mythos anyhow. I don't really care if it got embellished in nonconsequential ways. I'm happy to accept something of that nature happened, & it was good that he made that known to her, & that the show was doing it.
 
She had to have given interviews before that point.

We have interviews with Nichelle going back to 1967, but the first reference we've found to King (to date) is not until December 8, 1979. That doesn't mean those interviews don't exist, just that we haven't found them yet.

I'd love to find more pre-TMP fanzine material with her or recordings from conventions made in the '70s.
 
Being content is great. But it would be interesting to know what the actual story was if it ever could be ascertained. Martin Luther King was killed April 4th 1968. The show premiered September 8th 1966. There was a lot of heavy significant things going on in the United States as far as social upheaval between 1966 and the time he was killed. It would be really interesting to know exactly how much importance he felt about an actress in a background role basically playing a switchboard operator was in the grand scheme of those tumultuous times
 
Being content is great. But it would be interesting to know what the actual story was if it ever could be ascertained. Martin Luther King was killed April 4th 1968. The show premiered September 8th 1966. There was a lot of heavy significant things going on in the United States as far as social upheaval between 1966 and the time he was killed. It would be really interesting to know exactly how much importance he felt about an actress in a background role basically playing a switchboard operator was in the grand scheme of those tumultuous times
I tend to lean toward the modest interpretation, no matter the details. He probably felt it important enough to make an effort to somehow tell her that, even if it wasn't truly a significant part of the movement that got him killed shortly after. That' s probably all there was to it, a passing comment, or maybe a bit more deliberate than that, but that's still significant imho

The impression I get, is he thought just the mere presence of an African women being represented as a capable part of a more advanced humanity, in a brighter future, even in such a superficial capacity, on the show, was something legitimizing for the culture's art to be depicting, & society to be seeing as normal, because those attitudes were sorely needed, & hardly present.

I'll agree though that knowing the specifics of it would be great, but frankly with something so heresay as this, the reality probably doesn't live up to the hype, & I think the mythos of it is more valuable regardless.

If sussing out the reality of it were to diminish the tale, because she's an actress, probably prone to embellishment, then I'd rather we not care so much about that. It's probably nearly impossible to nail down exactly anyhow, because it's just words between 2 people over 50 years ago, & probably nothing more, but that's still remarkable to me
 
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