I'd be OK with never seeing the return of Trek to the silver screen, at least for a decade or so. Let CBS have its go. The production quality is just as good as motion picture, and we get much more than just a product every 3-4 years.
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Don't see why we can't have both...?
I want both, but it's hard to disagree with the fact that the movies have lost their direction, any kind of momentum, and crucially, their audience. As much as I love all three Kelvin outings I can see another film with this cast doing sub 300m at the worldwide box office easily. I just don't see the appetite for it. The only way this can work is reducing the budget to 100m or so and not releasing it it smack bang in the middle of a load of other summer blockbusters, but this comes with it's own set of issues.
The answer to this problem is a tough one...
Reboot TNG? Their films didn't exactly set the box office alight when TNG was at the height of it's popularity.
A crossover with Kelvin and TNG? The Trek brand is nowhere near the strength of Marvel - the only brand to properly carry off these kind of shenanigans. Even DC has struggled with this at times.
The Borg? This relies on the traditional Trek fanbase, and not the younger casual viewers that the franchise needs.
A discovery movie? I think the show needs to try and reach the peak of it's popularity on the small screen before this is even considered, and even then it's far from a sure thing.
Something span off Picard? A non starter given Stewart's age for me.
Reboot TOS again? I think this will be met with the same eye rolls as the two spider man films before the MCU.
Something completely new and different? Totally unknown quantity that would struggle to make bank in my view. Would have to be something completely spectacular and a critical smash.
Basically the movie franchise has painted itself into a dead end in my opinion. I can't see another trek film happening in the next 5 years at least.
Well, I see it as a possibility in the next 5 years. Specifically, I would look at the Kelvin crew, if not Pine, then Cho as a Captain Sulu and you have Star Trek: Excelsior as he discovers a large planetary system involved in local war. When a shuttle is stolen in the war Sulu must brave a war zone to recover it.
There are possibilities here.
An Cho captain Sulu movie sounds good
^ A Captain Sulu movie would definitely be interesting, just to see what the Kelvin Excelsior-class would look like. A hybrid Constitution/Dreadnought would be cool. Casting would be interesting to see as well. Off the top of my head, I wouldn't mind seeing Monica Potter as Janice Rand, Jeffrey Donovan as Valtane and John Boyega as Tuvok (assuming, of course, Tuvok survived Nero's attack on Vulcan). Hell, throw Christian Slater in there too, just because! 
Or, entirely new crew.
But then all the fans would complain about why they hadn't brought back Rand, Valtane and Tuvok
And when the bring back Rand, Valtane and Tuvok people will complain that they can't stop holding on to the past...But then all the fans would complain about why they hadn't brought back Rand, Valtane and Tuvok
Can't win for losing.
All three of them?But then all the fans would complain about why they hadn't brought back Rand, Valtane and Tuvok
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. At this point I literally can’t think of any plot that would be putting tons of butts in theater seats, unless it was Shatner’s final Trek film. And unless Paramount markets the hell out of it (their track record of which has been dismal), then at this point they’d be lucky to break even. And this comes from someone who would love a new Trek film.
Ok. Five.Hey!
Unless they got an absolute A list actor for the villain or some other role, and the film is critically acclaimed then I can't see this getting enough bums in cinema seats to justify it's likely costs.
But that doesn't mean this trek fan wouldn't be there on opening night.
Ok. Five.
Honestly, I'm not convinced. I think Trek is enjoying a resurgence and the film has potential. Now, I do think that a lower budget would be necessary. But, I think it can be done.
I think you have to look at the likes of the recent 'bumblebee' which did a lot less money than the other transformers films but had a suitably lower budget. I'm not convinced cho could headline a movie though, despite the fact I like the actor and the portrayal. A series, absolutely, but a Hollywood blockbuster? I can't see it.
Despite myself I shall remain optimistic.
I think we should be allowed/able to have both universes, so to speak, thus both movies and TV trek.
However, to be honest here, while I never got the feeling paramount&co see TV trek as a rival and hindrance (assuming they even care), I sometimes get the impression the people behind discovery&Co are a tad too extra with their constant preaching about the prime timeline label making their thing more 'canon'. Some comments come across as a bit passive aggressive against the kelvin movies too, tbh (I remember Kadin? claiming that 'all the fans' would prefer everything to be in the same continuity/verse - which is the one handled by them right now ^ - thus the movies are redundant or should be back to prime just because streaming TV trek is). The irony is, the new TV trek iterations are more similar to the kelvin movies than old trek (no wonder why) and we probably wouldn't even get those shows it it wasn't for the last movies.
But I digress. I guess my real point is, I hoped the merge would just make it easier to have a multiverse for trek, actually, thus do things you couldn't do before...but in reality it didn't change much. It still feels like it's two separate companies, each only thinking about their own thing.
Pity paramount&co are just wasting their own thing.
It's unfortunate for me that only ones truly taking advantage of trek right now are stuck in telling stories in the prime timeline only.
I wish I was excited about stuff like a Pike show but I'm ambivalent. I'm happy for those who wanted it (I love the actor playing Pike and yes, I do get it would be a waste to not do more with him) but it's frustrating for me to ostensibly keep on making prequels of prime where the only way tptb can add new stuff is through retcons, all the while we have a kelvin timeline where things aren't doomed by tos canon and you could virtually do anything you want without having to worry about canon or your thing conflicting with the 'destiny' that is already written for the characters.
I already struggle reconciling Peck-Spock with the guy Nimoy played. If I have to ostensibly pretend the guy truly is a prequel of TOS Spock (versus being just a remake) it feels like the latter had a big regression. And no wonder why. The original was written in the 60s, it's only natural that the Spock played by Peck will feel inspired more by Quinto's version than Nimoy's for the very reason that Quinto's version is more contemporary. Kelvin Spock is by itself more a reflection of the Spock you saw in later movies than the original series. .he just has his emotional development accelerated.
Indeed. I don't think Paramount knows what to do it with their Kelvin side and its disappointing.
I honestly am not sure about the regression. I think that Spock would keep on growing, but once he was assigned to Kirk he would have that period were he would perhaps withdraw and become more confident with his new crew over time.
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