"Shore leave."
Donny's Refit Enterprise Interiors (Version 2.0)
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"Shore leave."
Spent the last couple of modeling sessions figuring out the nuances of the examination room viewing-screen wall, and the differences between the TMP version and the TWOK version, which I'll go into more detail in the morning.
TMP:
TWOK:
View from the opposite end. You can see clearly how the examination area has a lower ceiling than the entryway to the room:
TMP:
TWOK:
View from the opposite end. You can see clearly how the examination area has a lower ceiling than the entryway to the room:
Fantastic work as always! I love how those insets on the walls around the doors make the whole room feel like it belongs together, you can follow the lines from one end to the other. Also, I never noticed that the same little extruded rectangles that are all over the TNG transporter room walls were also used here on sickbay.
What's with those spotlights at the sides of the viewscreen? Those can't be reflections from the opposite wall, where are they coming from?
What's with those spotlights at the sides of the viewscreen? Those can't be reflections from the opposite wall, where are they coming from?
Yeah, those extruded rectangles also show up in the TMP transporter room as well. I don't think we've ever sourced what they actually were. I think probably molding taken of some sort of packaging, if they aren't just pieces of packaging themselves.
The spotlights were me just mimicking the lighting of the TMP set:
But of course, lighting is very WIP right now, and I haven't modeled a source for the spotlights yet. I also will be modeling sensor equipment to go above where the diagnostic bed will go, and will this time attempt to visualize the sensor bar that passes over Ilia in the film (we don't see this "bar", only the shadow moving across her).
Okay, here's what my findings have concluded on the differences between the viewscreen on the TMP examination room set versus the viewscreen on the TWOK set. We discussed this in my older thread way back when, but figured it would be helpful to those that weren't around the first time, or don't remember 
Here, in TMP, we see that the viewscreen is nested in a larger curved wall with those extruded rectangles running down either side. The viewscreen fills in the space between the gap in the wall, up until the "lip" at the top edge of the screen. Above this lip are more extruded rectangles.
We see that the viewscreen follows the curvature of the wall that it's nested inside. This is evident by viewing the top two corners of the screen. Notice the slight curvature. This curvature is actually more extreme than it appears due to the field of view of the camera and the fact that it's looking straight at the screen.
In this behind the scenes photo, we see that the wall above the screen also follows the curvature of the wall it's nested inside, and that there are at least 14 rows of those extruded rectangles above the screen.
Now then. In TWOK, this screen is different. The screen itself is nested in another wall, this wall being planar and not following the curvature of the of the main wall. This is evident by the drop shadow of the main wall onto the viewscreen wall. The "lip" remians, however. We can see that surrounding the edge of the viewscreen, there is a "frame" around it.
I am convinced that this viewscreen was lifted from Kirk's TMP quarters set, and indeed, it's dimensions match and so do the amount of squares going across the transparent panels of both (I counted). And it has the same "frame" around the viewscreen. Since this wall was replaced in Kirk's cabin by a new wall, we can assume that for whatever reason, the TMP viewscreen of Kirk's cabin was moved to the sickbay set between movies. Also note that there are no extruded rectangle greebles above the TWOK screen.
We even see evidence of this in this behind the scene's photo, which would suggest that they hadn't even bothered to finish painting the wall to match the white of the sickbay set:
This deleted scene image, however, throws a wrench in my findings:
We see that the extruded rectangles are back, and they appear to follow the curvature of the outer main wall.
I surmise that the two scenes we have in TWOK (Preston's death and the deleted Checkov scene) were filmed on different days. Who knows which came first, but in the Checkov scene, we still have the Kirk's TMP cabin viewscreen wall, but the existing curved wall with extruded rectangles above it. I think that the TMP examination room view screen was removed, the curved wall above it remained. They wheeled Kirk's TMP cabin viewscreen wall in to fill the hole left by the TMP exam room screen's absence. AND THEN, for whatever reason, between the filming of the two TWOK exam room scenes, the curved wall above it was removed, along with the greebles. Maybe to get additional lights in, or maybe it was simply a flimsy piece of set that fell down or was damaged during filming/handling. Who knows?
Anyhow, for my TWOK version of the set, I'll be going with what we see in the Peter Preston death scene. I have, however, added an additional curvature above the viewscreen so that it meets nicely back with the upper portion of the main wall, rather than have it meet at a sharp angle.
These images may help show the differences a little better:
Here, in TMP, we see that the viewscreen is nested in a larger curved wall with those extruded rectangles running down either side. The viewscreen fills in the space between the gap in the wall, up until the "lip" at the top edge of the screen. Above this lip are more extruded rectangles.
We see that the viewscreen follows the curvature of the wall that it's nested inside. This is evident by viewing the top two corners of the screen. Notice the slight curvature. This curvature is actually more extreme than it appears due to the field of view of the camera and the fact that it's looking straight at the screen.
In this behind the scenes photo, we see that the wall above the screen also follows the curvature of the wall it's nested inside, and that there are at least 14 rows of those extruded rectangles above the screen.
Now then. In TWOK, this screen is different. The screen itself is nested in another wall, this wall being planar and not following the curvature of the of the main wall. This is evident by the drop shadow of the main wall onto the viewscreen wall. The "lip" remians, however. We can see that surrounding the edge of the viewscreen, there is a "frame" around it.
I am convinced that this viewscreen was lifted from Kirk's TMP quarters set, and indeed, it's dimensions match and so do the amount of squares going across the transparent panels of both (I counted
). And it has the same "frame" around the viewscreen. Since this wall was replaced in Kirk's cabin by a new wall, we can assume that for whatever reason, the TMP viewscreen of Kirk's cabin was moved to the sickbay set between movies. Also note that there are no extruded rectangle greebles above the TWOK screen.We even see evidence of this in this behind the scene's photo, which would suggest that they hadn't even bothered to finish painting the wall to match the white of the sickbay set:
This deleted scene image, however, throws a wrench in my findings:
We see that the extruded rectangles are back, and they appear to follow the curvature of the outer main wall.
I surmise that the two scenes we have in TWOK (Preston's death and the deleted Checkov scene) were filmed on different days. Who knows which came first, but in the Checkov scene, we still have the Kirk's TMP cabin viewscreen wall, but the existing curved wall with extruded rectangles above it. I think that the TMP examination room view screen was removed, the curved wall above it remained. They wheeled Kirk's TMP cabin viewscreen wall in to fill the hole left by the TMP exam room screen's absence. AND THEN, for whatever reason, between the filming of the two TWOK exam room scenes, the curved wall above it was removed, along with the greebles. Maybe to get additional lights in, or maybe it was simply a flimsy piece of set that fell down or was damaged during filming/handling. Who knows?
Anyhow, for my TWOK version of the set, I'll be going with what we see in the Peter Preston death scene. I have, however, added an additional curvature above the viewscreen so that it meets nicely back with the upper portion of the main wall, rather than have it meet at a sharp angle.
These images may help show the differences a little better:
If I may? Consider that that the piece above viewer is wild in sections, and they pulled it out for lighting purposes and occasionally forgot to put it back in place or decided to keep it out. This would explain the unfinished paint, and that they probably touched it up when they knew it would be in shot. I am fairly certain that its absence in those TWOK scenes is exactly for that reason, especially given the Chekov scene.
The viewer has to be wild because they have to be able to get the camera on the other side of the set.
The viewer has to be wild because they have to be able to get the camera on the other side of the set.
You're probably right. And I'd guess the reason they swapped out the screen is because the TMP screen was a rear-projection setup that they weren't going to use, so the textured panel from Kirk's quarters looked more interesting (and more opaque, maybe?) than just a bare rear-projection screen.
Those are great points. I agree.
If I were to chose one over the other, it would definitely be the original TMP one at the top. It looks more complete and less slap-dash cobbled together than the TWOK version appears.These images may help show the differences a little better:
Headcanon: The exam room was damaged in the battle with Khan, so they quickly repaired it by replacing the diagnostic screen with an intact one from crew quarters, and didn't have time to replace the molding above it.
Just like a bread box!@Donny I'm sure there is a screenshot somewhere that will nix this idea, but maybe the scanner retracts into the ceiling and the corrugated ceiling "roll-tops" to cover and protect it when not in use.
It was a screen in TMP -- or at least it was the "screen saver" on Kirk's wall screen when it wasn't activated. I've never figured out what was supposed to be physically going on when the textured/frosted panel disappeared and was replaced by a flat video screen (or rather a rear-projection film screen).
I actually think I solved that mystery this morning. According to the blueprints of Kirk's cabin, the textured/frosted panel is labeled as a "sliding panel", with the "screen" behind it.
Indeed, when comparing screencaps of the screen in "screen saver" mode and in "viewscreen" mode, you can see that when in "viewscreen" mode, the lower edge of "sliding panel" is at the top of the screen. Therefore, it's safe to assume that the "screen saver" is a sliding panel that slides up when the viewscreen is in use. We never see this in action, sadly, but this answers your question.
^Interesting, thanks.
I actually thought that might be the case once upon a time. Why use the "lip" above it? But obviously we've no proof.@Donny I'm sure there is a screenshot somewhere that will nix this idea, but maybe the scanner retracts into the ceiling and the corrugated ceiling "roll-tops" to cover and protect it when not in use.
I HAD noticed the textured screen at the top of the viewer when Uhura calls. I suspect it might have been filmed retracting and they just cut to it after the fact.
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I wasn't suggesting that that was the plan in the 1970s, only a possible out akin to Donny's officer lounge workaround. Never noticed the textured screen being retracted though.
Edit to add: @Donny The blueprint you posted above indicates that the cabin textured screen retracts sideways, toward the corridor.
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I realize this is going a little ways back now to the exterior of the ship, but I was curious if you'd have any interest in showing what the TMP Enterprise would look like with the more elaborate red pinstripe detailing as was originally intended. I believe they were removed at some point prior to filming due to damage received by the model and subsequent repairs, but they still made their way into some of the marketing material and can be seen applied to the model in one of the test shots too. I'd be really interested to see what she'd look like with them added back on. =D
