It was quite readable in the mid-'70s, I can attest.
Pike and "Fleet Captain"?
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It was quite readable in the mid-'70s, I can attest.
Gary got a recent promotion, but did not get a new tunic, yet?
I gather that depends on how recent that record card on his superpowers is.
Certainly it isn't something written back when he was 23 years old! Quite possibly, then, it's indeed fairly recent, applying to current Lieutenant Commander Mitchell who happened to be 23 (and probably of Ensign rank) when tested for PSI-abiities.
But even if the promotion is recent, we're bound to think that Gary is a sloppy dresser. It's not that big a deal to get the extra braid from the Quartermaster.
Indeed, that's probably our out here: if those sleeve stripes are really easy to apply, little different from rubber bands, then Gary forgetting or "forgetting" his half-braid that morning becomes all the more understandable.
Timo Saloniemi
Certainly it isn't something written back when he was 23 years old! Quite possibly, then, it's indeed fairly recent, applying to current Lieutenant Commander Mitchell who happened to be 23 (and probably of Ensign rank) when tested for PSI-abiities.
But even if the promotion is recent, we're bound to think that Gary is a sloppy dresser. It's not that big a deal to get the extra braid from the Quartermaster.
Indeed, that's probably our out here: if those sleeve stripes are really easy to apply, little different from rubber bands, then Gary forgetting or "forgetting" his half-braid that morning becomes all the more understandable.
Timo Saloniemi
Actually, now I think about it, given that a different -- somewhat incompatible -- system also exist during the period in the rest of the fleet, it's not unreasonable to assume that the one or two braids (or the ladder braid) are an intentionally simplified system to "save resources and encourage a lack of militarism" on low priority frontier assignments, particularly as the "corrected" system (the captain should be distinguishable at least) is still in use in the Merchant Service -- which likely does lack Commanders and group all Junior Officers into one or at most two categories.
I take it as the Deneb IV incident happened when Gary was 23 years old. Since I have Gary and Kirk being contemporaries on my ST timeline, it therefore occurs somewhere in 2257.
Y'all need to let go of the rank insignia from the pilots.
The rank insignia from the pilots are canon. So we need to take them into account. Of course any specific method of interpreting the rank insignia in the pilots is not canon, merely someone's interpretation of the evidence.
The rank insignia that Pike wore in 'The cage" is canon. What rank that insignia indicated can only be guessed with the evidence available.
I gather that depends on how recent that record card on his superpowers is.
Certainly it isn't something written back when he was 23 years old! Quite possibly, then, it's indeed fairly recent, applying to current Lieutenant Commander Mitchell who happened to be 23 (and probably of Ensign rank) when tested for PSI-abiities.
But even if the promotion is recent, we're bound to think that Gary is a sloppy dresser. It's not that big a deal to get the extra braid from the Quartermaster.
Indeed, that's probably our out here: if those sleeve stripes are really easy to apply, little different from rubber bands, then Gary forgetting or "forgetting" his half-braid that morning becomes all the more understandable.
Timo Saloniemi
I take 23 as Gary's age when he entered Starfleet I believe that the US armed forces do not count years at the service academies as years of service, that an officer' who joins from a service academy is counted as beginning his service when he graduates and is commissioned. .So 23 would be Gary's age when he graduated and was commissioned an ensign.
That would be a little older than usual, but at the present time the age to enter a US armed service academy is 17 to 22 years, so someone can graduate after four years aged 21 to 26. And even during the era when the normal course at West Point was four years, I have read of persons who graduated and were commissioned after fewer or more than four years.
I also notice from the records of 19th century US military personnel that their descriptions,age, height, color of hairs, eyes,and complexion, etc., were supposed to be valid as of their date of enlistment. Since the term of enlistment in the regular army was five years and changed to three years during the Civil War, and the term of enlistment for United States Volunteers was never more than 3 years, a soldier's appearance would usually not change much during their enlistment. Though of course in the case of the youngest recruits like drummer boys their appearance could change a lot during an enlistment.
So possibly Starfleet records record the age at which someone enters Starfleet. And maybe the age is updated periodically for enlisted members when and if they complete a term of enlistment and decide to reenlist, but not for officers presumed to make Starfleet their career.
Of course with computers someone's age could be updated every day to nearest day, and their weight could be updated from their daily weighing if daily weighing is customary.
The records of Mitchell and Dehner look like they were typed on printed forms, instead of being computer forms that were filled in. Thus the creators of the pilots may have imagined that paperwork would have been more old fashioned than now seems likely, and thus that someone's data would not be automatically updated by the computers.
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No we don't. Some stuff is best ignored and forgotten.
For me:
- No Female Captains
- Pilot rank insignia
- The Enterprise being an Earth ship
Remaining in canon does't mean must remain in continuity.
I always count the female Captains bit as a future event as per what Turnabout Intruder stated rather than the ENT blunderings which are in a re-set or alternate reality! 
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Whut?????I always count the female Captains bit as a future event as per what Turnabout Intruder stated rather than the ENT blunderings which are in a re-set or alternate reality!
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Wu, Wu, Wu WHATT?? To quote The Rock!!!
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