Yes, or perhaps a combination of the two.
But, I don't know for sure. Why not go ask them?
I would love this. This is something that Trek could do very well, I think.
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But, I don't know for sure. Why not go ask them?
Good thing that they didn't have such resources then.
This is not a such a huge issue with TV shows, but most modern films would be improved if the special effect budgets were halved and they couldn't do all those pointless CGI chases.
They should have just created and launched hundreds of pods capable of flying like starfighters and firing pew pew phasers to take down enemy ships. That would have made much more sense.
That's the only frakking point of TMP. To show off their model.
I think that CGI needs to be halved indeed. As Phil Tippett would say "The computer wants to fuck you." The lack of recognition of limits makes CGI modeling far more freeing, for good or for ill.
I think that scene could have been vastly improved if they came up with 3 new ships and cut and paste half a dozen older ones all further apart from one another. Of the 9 or so different Federation ships, maybe only one or two would need a decent polygon count and the rest could have been little more than moving lights in the background. This would be truer to life and given us more variety. Those ships were all almost identical.
And I agree that they look awful. Back when the budgets were tighter/tech more limited, they came up with more diverse and attractive designs that had to be worth every penny and customizable to different uses. Now they come up with ships that can translate easily to IMHO ugly kewl STO.
It would have been cool if they reused the Rhode Island, Olympic, Sovereign, Akira, Prometheus, Galaxy, Nebula, Saber, Cheyenne, Ambassador (extra points for Probert’s)....it would have been touching if the ships that came to the synths rescue included the Sovereign, Intrepid, Defiant, and Galaxy especially — the ships we know as family. (And it would have been jaw-dropping if the Galaxy was a refitted even more elegant design...I don’t think the original looks as sharp and elegant with modern screen resolutions so I wish they’d update it in that way.)
And I agree that they look awful. Back when the budgets were tighter/tech more limited, they came up with more diverse and attractive designs that had to be worth every penny and customizable to different uses. Now they come up with ships that can translate easily to IMHO ugly kewl STO.
It would have been cool if they reused the Rhode Island, Olympic, Sovereign, Akira, Prometheus, Galaxy, Nebula, Saber, Cheyenne, Ambassador (extra points for Probert’s)....it would have been touching if the ships that came to the synths rescue included the Sovereign, Intrepid, Defiant, and Galaxy especially — the ships we know as family. (And it would have been jaw-dropping if the Galaxy was a refitted even more elegant design...I don’t think the original looks as sharp and elegant with modern screen resolutions so I wish they’d update it in that way.)
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I think physical models gave a sense of verisimilitude that CGI models can't, since they were real objects, just made to look bigger through camera trickery. That being said, you couldn't achieve the kind of fluid movement you see with CGI ships with physical ships using stop motion, at least not on a TV budget.
I don't see how more variety makes it better. More ships just different types? Oh, ok.
This is the difficulty of CGI models yes. They do not have the physical limitations (obviously) and thus there is a "go big or go home" attitude that can occur. And, often times (from VFX friends of mine) VFX artists are expected to just figure out how things are to work.
Lower Decks takes place a year after Nemesis. So unless the Enterprise-E got destroyed within that year, you'd see that ship.
"we’ve gone back and forth"
So nothing definite. Which was what I originally said.
compare "we've gone back and forth" (meaning maybe, considering, thinking about it) to your "no evidence they want to use the Enterprise at all" (meaning no, nay, never)
I'd personally just see it as pointless fan wank. I always thought the reuse of the Excelsior and Miranda models in TNG and DS9 was silly, especially when there were newer classes of ships flying around that we never saw. I think to re-use all these old ships, some of which are nearly 40 years old in universe is equally as lame, I saw enough of them in 90's trek. I also never understood why the Federation felt compelled to have 50 classes of starship while every other alien race had 2 - 4 ship classes at most.
Having said that I wouldn't have minded seeing some new ship classes other than the Zheng He type, but ultimately it doesn't matter. The ships are on screen for about 30 seconds and the point of them is to be a big stick in case Picard/Riker fails with the carrot.
^ I think fanwank would be if Voyager were there captained by Admiral Janeway and the Defiant by Vedek Kira and the Constitution by Commodore Scotty.
Having ship classes that fit the time-period without being precious about them I think is only realistic and what we should have seen more of during the Dominion War. Where the hell were the Sovereigns and Intrepids and other Defiants and, sure, if you’re going Miranda, other Constitutions?
And if we take DS9 as precedent, I think you could go as far back as the Ambassador Era now in your choice of ships — though, again, I’d prefer Probert’s.
That said, I wouldn’t mind if they showed a dozen different newer ship classes only if they were diverse and interesting to look at.
But given we got maybe two to four nearly identical and IMHO hideous contemporary classes...I’m okay with older ones present.
I think the one that fits most is the Sovereign, going by the esthetic of the doomed transports over Mars, though I never did like the look of most Trek ships after the Galaxy. Too much stylization, not enough verisimilitude.
Having ship classes that fit the time-period without being precious about them I think is only realistic and what we should have seen more of during the Dominion War. Where the hell were the Sovereigns and Intrepids and other Defiants and, sure, if you’re going Miranda, other Constitutions?
And if we take DS9 as precedent, I think you could go as far back as the Ambassador Era now in your choice of ships — though, again, I’d prefer Probert’s.
That said, I wouldn’t mind if they showed a dozen different newer ship classes only if they were diverse and interesting to look at.
But given we got maybe two to four nearly identical and IMHO hideous contemporary classes...I’m okay with older ones present.
I think the one that fits most is the Sovereign, going by the esthetic of the doomed transports over Mars, though I never did like the look of most Trek ships after the Galaxy. Too much stylization, not enough verisimilitude.
I for one do not need to see older designs ever again. Seeing the Enterprise-D in the dream sequence was good enough for me. Or if they have a flashback to Picard’s time on the Stargazer, that would be kind of neat. But I’d rather see what a new designer does for turn-of-the-century Starfleet vessels.
I hope we het toch see Galaxy, Sovereign, Ambassade and Defiant classes.
I mean they were build to last at least a hundred years.
I mean they were build to last at least a hundred years.
I want to see some of the TNG era designs for verisimilitude's sake. They should still be in service. TOS movie era designs should be on their long overdue retirement though.
To say you don't understand is a failure of your imagination. The great thing about large properties like Star Trek is that it offers something for all types of fans. Fans can be in love with the stories, the tech, the ships, the uniforms (cosplay), any of the interstellar races, the languages (people actually learn Klingon!), or any other aspect of a fully realized (to the imagination) fictional future society.I don't see how more variety makes it better. More ships just different types? Oh, ok.
Ship fans want to see ships. The same ship copied and pasted 200 times (no matter how many greebles are tweeked) is not all that satisfying. That is not hard to understand. If you truly can't, you aren't trying.
The complaint that there are too many ships on screen. I don't see how that complaint is satisfied if there was more variety because doesn't change the fact that there are too many ships on the screen.
Fans want to see ships I get. I want to see ships. But, saying more variety somehow makes too many ships suddenly not too many ships is the confusing part.
Surely it's not that hard to understand.
Some people want fewer ships. Some people want more than 1 class of ships. Some people want both. The latter complaint doesn't fix the former complaint, it would just improve the situation. Both would be even better.
