Implications of the fleet
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No it means it was too hard to build and photograph models in the 90's
Limitations can bring out the best in an artist.
This...
was 10x more compelling than this...
and it seems to get dumber (and uglier) the more I see it.
It depends on the use of the story. I think both are compelling in their own right. Simply isolating one shot gives me no context to work with.
Limitations can bring out the best in an artist.
This...
was 10x more compelling than this...
and it seems to get dumber (and uglier) the more I see it.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. The first screencap shows a scenario where either time or budget did not warrant a new Klingon ship model built when they most definitely needed one, resulting in one of the most egregious scaling issues in the history of the show. The second screencap at least has the effort of someone making a new Starfleet ship design, even if the ship is relatively boring and designed at the last minute.
Unless you're just talking about the number of ships, and not what specific ships they used. If that's the case, then I can kind of see your point.
I'm talking about the number of ships, and how throwing hundreds of them onto the screen doesn't instantly make something compelling. It's a habit the showrunners of Discovery and now Picard have been guilty of a few times before in 3 seasons so far. The Enterprise v Reliant in the Mutara Nebula would never happen with this new Trek for instance, not enough pew pew and shaky cam action with dozens of ships and phaser beams everywhere.
Gotcha. I agree that I would rather have had just one Romulan supership facing off against one Federation supership, although that was pretty much what we got in Nemesis, so I'm not sure recycling that idea would have been the best move either.
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I like one on one ships as well, but I want fleets, larger fleets. Star Trek has gotten away with straining my suspension of disbelief with one or two ships in the area. DS9 did better with having larger forces.
There is a balance to be struck and just saying "It's not compelling" for me is like saying "We need to go back to TWOK type battles." That's not the answer. Find a balance and stop blaming it on "pew pew."
There is a balance to be struck and just saying "It's not compelling" for me is like saying "We need to go back to TWOK type battles." That's not the answer. Find a balance and stop blaming it on "pew pew."
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I did find it rather odd that they would feel the need to have so many ships in each fleet.
10 on each side would have sufficed, perhaps it was so they could hide something in plain sight.
They may have wanted to go for a big wow ship face off but decided against it at the last moment as the timing wasn't right, saving it for S2 when they can do it proper justice.
Maybe they wanted to show us how Starfleets approach to threats has changed after the War and attack on Mars, all good changes from what I can see.
Could have been cost reasons, having both fleets face off isn't particularly expensive, once the fighting starts that is another matter though and the costs and time required go way up.
Or someone just went mad with the copy and paste.
10 on each side would have sufficed, perhaps it was so they could hide something in plain sight.
They may have wanted to go for a big wow ship face off but decided against it at the last moment as the timing wasn't right, saving it for S2 when they can do it proper justice.
Maybe they wanted to show us how Starfleets approach to threats has changed after the War and attack on Mars, all good changes from what I can see.
Could have been cost reasons, having both fleets face off isn't particularly expensive, once the fighting starts that is another matter though and the costs and time required go way up.
Or someone just went mad with the copy and paste.
So, do they want to use the Enterprise or don’t they?
I did find it rather odd that they would feel the need to have so many ships in each fleet.
10 on each side would have sufficed, perhaps it was so they could hide something in plain sight.
They may have wanted to go for a big wow ship face off but decided against it at the last moment as the timing wasn't right, saving it for S2 when they can do it proper justice.
Maybe they wanted to show us how Starfleets approach to threats has changed after the War and attack on Mars, all good changes from what I can see.
Could have been cost reasons, having both fleets face off isn't particularly expensive, once the fighting starts that is another matter though and the costs and time required go way up.
Or someone just went mad with the copy and paste.
Because they think "throw as much stuff on screen and it'll instantly be epic and memorable"...
That space battle was so dumb
It's also interestion how the ships in the TNG shot looks so much more better and more real than that dumb Picard fleet shot
Enterprise might show up on Loeer Decks?
No. They put it on the screen in service to the story. This production team has definitely demonstrated less interest in model shots, aside from the occasional shot, like the Sarcophagus ship or the DiscoPrise.
Regardless, it serves the story and that's good.
But, let the punching bag of the production team continue. I love being told that everyone likes these shows...
Let the blind cheerleader defence at all costs continue.
The story didn't call for or need 10 million drone ships out of nowhere pew pew-ing at each other.
The story definitely didn't need 400 identical starships facing off against each other. Especially in a galaxy where Romulans are refugees and Earth have had their primary shipyards destroyed. It was done for "cool" factor, nothing else.
Let the blind bashing continue, please.
To you.
That is a surface level analysis which is why the continued bashing of this show makes this an exercise in futility.
But, please continue. You are welcome to your opinion.
To you Discovery and the Enterprise facing off against Section 31 called for hundreds of mini drone fighters on both sides fighting like bees against each other? Really? You think they put that on screen "in service of the story", not because they thought it looked kewl?
Speak for yourself, I thought it was epic and memorableBecause they think "throw as much stuff on screen and it'll instantly be epic and memorable"...
That space battle was so dumb
It's also interestion how the ships in the TNG shot looks so much more better and more real than that dumb Picard fleet shot
Next Gen's space battles never made much sense to me, you have this ship with 13 phaser arrays and god-knows how many photon torpedo launchers and... they fire one beam at a time
(Unless it's "Best of Both Worlds" but imagine if they did THAT in Generations or "Yesterday's Enterprise" or any other time it would have made a difference!)
