I should have placed a bet, I knew you would say that!
Spoilers On Seven and sexuality
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Sorry, she never has appealed to me. Might be a poor experience from high school and my friend's stupid obsession over her.I should have placed a bet, I knew you would say that!
I'm sure Hurd doesn't mean it quite that literally.
It also reminded me of an actress who kissed another woman (of course, she was a vampire) in an 80s movie. "The Hunger" maybe. Anyway, the script said they would get drunk before that, and the actress refused, pretty much saying "This is... (Deneuve? Don't remember), she doesn't need to get drunk to kiss her!" Quite a bold statement at the time.
It also reminded me of an actress who kissed another woman (of course, she was a vampire) in an 80s movie. "The Hunger" maybe. Anyway, the script said they would get drunk before that, and the actress refused, pretty much saying "This is... (Deneuve? Don't remember), she doesn't need to get drunk to kiss her!" Quite a bold statement at the time.
It still feels weird. They like how they look in a picture but then they don't I think even share a single scene of note in any of the episodes but they are holding hands and maybe in love in the final scene? It almost feels like they are kind of interested in the idea but they aren't fully sold on it and they wanted to toss out a moment to sort of explore what the fans reaction is to see if they should do it or not. I don't think I have ever seen a show do that before. Seek fan approval before going forward on something. Usually shows just do something and hope the fans like it and if they don't they either continue on defiantly anyways or change course.
The show though has some strange notions though to begin with. Turning Picard into a Android I got to say I didn't see that one coming. Space flowers that eat spaceships. Sexy brother and sister bondage love. Aliens that sound like hipsters. Vulcan/Romulan wearing shades. Lots of cussing. People use commincation devices like modern phones. Non Brophy Maddux who gets killed by lover. People don't care including her who then has sex with Rios who also happens to have a bunch of Rios looking holograms that just look like him. Maybe this show is planning to become one of those wild adventure shows like Legends of Tomorrow or Farscape.
Of course right now I am sort of on the theory is that this show is sort of going to be like Babylon 5 in the sense that we are not going to have season arcs but the show is going to play out like a novel and season one is like the first chapter in a book and thus the main point of this season is just all setup and so in that regard tossing in a idea at the last moment for romance makes sense. Chabon and Kristen Beyer both have a background in books so I am really starting to think they want this show to be like a book.
Jason
The show though has some strange notions though to begin with. Turning Picard into a Android I got to say I didn't see that one coming. Space flowers that eat spaceships. Sexy brother and sister bondage love. Aliens that sound like hipsters. Vulcan/Romulan wearing shades. Lots of cussing. People use commincation devices like modern phones. Non Brophy Maddux who gets killed by lover. People don't care including her who then has sex with Rios who also happens to have a bunch of Rios looking holograms that just look like him. Maybe this show is planning to become one of those wild adventure shows like Legends of Tomorrow or Farscape.
Of course right now I am sort of on the theory is that this show is sort of going to be like Babylon 5 in the sense that we are not going to have season arcs but the show is going to play out like a novel and season one is like the first chapter in a book and thus the main point of this season is just all setup and so in that regard tossing in a idea at the last moment for romance makes sense. Chabon and Kristen Beyer both have a background in books so I am really starting to think they want this show to be like a book.
Jason
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Maybe they met years ago in an NA meeting?
Sorry, she never has appealed to me. Might be a poor experience from high school and my friend's stupid obsession over her.
I wasn't a big Seven of Nine fan either but I actually like this more human version of the character. Since we are talking sort of about sex though I wonder if this is going to be the time breaks the nudity barrier and we see her or someone else in a nude sex scene. Well kind of nude. Not HBO nude but more of Dennis Franz's naked butt and naked silhouettes. I mean the show cusses and even used the word Fuck in a sexual context which was even shocking to me who was already use to them being able to use cusswords so not sure if nudity is possible as well these days.
Jason
B5 was SO tightly plotted, if a line was altered in the script, the writer would have to consult the next season's script to see what kind of an impact changing that line would have!
Interview with Michelle Hurd: https://www.etonline.com/star-trek-...al-finale-and-season-2-plans-exclusive-143712
We see also at the very end of the finale, Raffi and Seven of Nine having an intimate moment on the starship. What are you excited to dig into more there?
First of all, the thought that I get to work with Jeri Ryan... That will be nice. So first season is spending time with Patrick Stewart, the second with Jeri. I'll take it. But full disclosure, I have no idea what the second season is going to bring about. But that was a really fun moment and I guess I can just say it... It was funny because we were all down at San Diego Comic-Con [in 2019], and we were all hanging out. I think it was Jonathan Del Arco who took a picture of Jeri and I. We were standing together; I was in a white jumpsuit and she was in a red jumpsuit and we gave each other a hug, and he took a picture. You know those pictures where the lighting is good and everything works for both people?
It just happened to be that it was a nice shot, and he literally went, "Oh my god. Look at this!" We went over to our producers who happened to be sitting together, Akiva [Goldsman], Alex [Kurtzman] and Michael [Chabon], and I think there might've been Kirsten [Beyer] as well, and Jonathan went "Look at this. Look at this picture." They looked at the picture, they all looked at each other. We saw them in a little hubbub, and then they turned to me and Jeri and they're like, Raffi and Seven of Nine, and we were both like, "Oh my god. Yes!"
(...)
...but wouldn't it be great if we could somehow really bring that in to these stories, embrace it and not label it, not make it taboo, but empower it? Make it almost fluid. If you think about it, Raffi and Seven, that would be pretty cool. (...) First of all, male, female, whatever, who wouldn't be ecstatic if Seven of Nine looked their way?
(Underlining is mine. I just love that sentence.)
And now I really, really want to see this picture!
The photo is here.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0PCGacpCJv/
I screenshotted the image.
I had no active interest in classic Seven either.
Another very beautiful woman, who cares.
But that doesn't mean that I would run away like that punk Harry when she propositioned him.
Good for you...?
Good for you...?
Okay, maybe I would runaway.
What is shoehorning? A foot fetish thing?
B5 was SO tightly plotted, if a line was altered in the script, the writer would have to consult the next season's script to see what kind of an impact changing that line would have!
I don't think they got it plotted out quite on that level. B5 was insane. I think JMS wrote almost every single episode starting on season 2 up until the end. I think their was maybe not even a handful of exceptions. The Day of the Dead ep in season 5 being one of them.
Jason
Harry Kim did look kind of bad in that moment. Granted as someone who once chickened out of a threesome I can kind of relate.
Jason
What's pathetic is people on message boards who make personal attacks to other members and who pretend to know anything at all about the people they attack, and make idiotic assumptions about them, when in reality, they know absolutely nothing. Why don't you apply your own rules, stay on topic and don't throw abuse at other members?
You can't even decide what it is, whether I'm self-loathing or making the whole thing up. For the record, it's neither, and far from it. And also for the record, when I say "I'm gay and..." it's to stop people automatically assuming I'm just some homophobic bigot who hates gay people. It's as simple as that, I never used it as a shield, I just said it to provide context. I love Seven and I love Raffi. Culber is a walking billboard for gay people and Stamets is... fine... - my problem is with the sledgehammer approach of casting and character building that pulls me out of these episodes. If the showrunners spent less time tripping over themselves to cast 90% black/female/gay and more time crafting compelling stories, these two shows would be a lot more popular. Discovery especially.
One issue I have is the idea that Picard was tripping over themselves to put this stuff in it. Most people didn't even know Raffi was gay an their was even some doubts,maybe naïve ones about Seven. Heck technically speaking even that is not officially confirmed in the show even though it has been by the writers. I understand some shows can be preachy about this stuff and it makes for bad art but if anything Picard was to subtle. I don't think they would be my ideal choice. I still like my Borg Queen idea but I think if they do it that it has as good of chance as any of working.
Jason
Raffi could be a gold star lesbian, and still have had that child who we already met on screen.
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