Spoilers On Seven and sexuality

[rfmcdpei]

You’re thinking way too much about gay people on television. They don’t have to actually obey population statistics for a show, that’s absurd. They tell stories they want to tell and we’re seeing a lot more stories that aren’t just about straight and cis people. Meaning that there are going to be some gay and trans characters, this means more nerd shit to obsess over.

More to the point, social networks can be quite lumpy, quite unrepresentative of statistical averages. I know multiple people who, as medieval studies students at the University of Toronto, ended up embracing Anglicanism at an Anglo-Catholic parish. I took photos, even.

Why not have multiple LGBTQ people on a cast? Non-heterosexual orientations are reasonably common, and are more common the younger the demographic you get to. If you want to explain lumpiness, assuming it needs explanation, there are plenty of possibilities. One is that romance brings the character in. Would Seven have joined the crew of La Sirena if not for her interest in a Raffi who was willing to return the interest?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I do not know many gay people, most of the people I know are black. I want all TV shows to reflect this OK!!!!

There are no black gays?

Porn has seriously been lying to me.

 

[NCC-73515]

1. The off-screen, post-happy-ending break-up with Chakotay just to have your sexy main star be single again

Perhaps they're poly! Might drive certain people even more crazy XD

Because they at least gave them some scenes to interact together before hooking up? Why can't we have that with non-straight characters?

Like Aggie and Rios kissing out of the blue just after she killed the love of her life?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Perhaps they're poly! Might drive certain people even more crazy XD


Like Aggie and Rios kissing out of the blue just after she killed the love of her life?

She'd just killed the last man that had been inside her.

She can leave her vag as is, a memorial to NotBrophy, or repaint.

 

[Kpnuts]

I’m not sure how you being gay has anything to do with this.

Im entitled to suggest that I am the very thing I'm complaining about. I would have thought it (sadly) is quite a rare perspective. I don't care about statistics, just stop shoehorning gay characters in just to make headlines. That's all.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Im entitled to suggest that I am the very thing I'm complaining about. I would have thought it (sadly) is quite a rare perspective. I don't care about statistics, just stop shoehorning gay characters in just to make headlines. That's all.

No, your opinion is your own, nothing more. You don't want to see gays on TV, eh, too bad. Shoehorning? Nothing of the kind happened here. Two LGBT folks is too many for you in one show, that's tough. Can't say I care that seeing them bothers you.

 

[Jayson1]

Seven may not want anything to do with the Borg Queen again. She left the cube for a reason (had she stayed there much longer, she risked going back into a very dark place).

She left the cube for the sake of her sanity.

I mean anythings possible but I just kind of like the idea that the Queen who had all this power has kind of had it all stripped away and now she is having to face her humanity for the first time though technically I am not sure if she ever was human. How the Queen exists is kind of a mystery since sometimes she is Susana Thompson and sometimes Alice Kreig(forgot the last name)

As for Seven being into Janeway I am shocked people saw their relationship in that way. To me it was a clear mother daughter thing. If Seven was into anyone on the crew in that way I think it was more likely Torres.


Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

I mean anythings possible but I just kind of like the idea that the Queen who had all this power has kind of had it all stripped away and now she is having to face her humanity for the first time though technically I am not sure if she ever was human. How the Queen exists is kind of a mystery since sometimes she is Susana Thompson and sometimes Alice Kreig(forgot the last name)

As for Seven being into Janeway I am shocked people saw their relationship in that way. To me it was a clear mother daughter thing. If Seven was into anyone on the crew in that way I think it was more likely Torres.


Jason

I agree that Kathryn was her mum, but Chuckles was her daddy.

 

[Jayson1]

I think the EMH was more of the dad in her life. Well the dad who dressed her in a catsuit and also developed a crush but that was really just one episode.


Jason

 

[frankieteardrop]

I’m pretty Seven was into Janeway, Janeway gives off a powerful lesbian energy that drew in every single lesbian and bi woman ever known. She’s like Xena in space.

TV Guide knew.

 

[AlanC9]

Im entitled to suggest that I am the very thing I'm complaining about. I would have thought it (sadly) is quite a rare perspective. I don't care about statistics, just stop shoehorning gay characters in just to make headlines. That's all.

If you're not interested in this sort of thing being in headlines, maybe you shouldn't keep talking about it so much.

 

[Kpnuts]

No, your opinion is your own, nothing more. You don't want to see gays on TV, eh, too bad. Shoehorning? Nothing of the kind happened here. Two LGBT folks is too many for you in one show, that's tough. Can't say I care that seeing them bothers you.

Could you sound anymore obnoxious? I'll try to not lose sleep tonight because some nobody on a message board doesn't like my opinion. You don't like it eh, too bad.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Im entitled to suggest that I am the very thing I'm complaining about. I would have thought it (sadly) is quite a rare perspective. I don't care about statistics, just stop shoehorning gay characters in just to make headlines. That's all.

On the contrary, the truly sad thing is that self-loathing people lashing out at and resenting other members of the same marginalized group in order to prop themselves up is not at all a rare phenomenon. Such individuals also frequently but erroneously believe that publicly announcing themselves as a member of said group every time they criticize them provides some sort of shield for their terrible behavior.

It's also true that many people like to pretend to be part of a group for the same faulty reasoning and to stir up trouble. Either way, it doesn't give the person making the bigoted or irrational remarks any greater credibility or sympathy if they're from the same group they're participating in marginalizing, it just makes the situation more pathetic.

 

[fireproof78]

Shoehorning? Nothing of the kind happened here. Two LGBT folks is too many for you in one show, that's tough.

Indeed. There is no shoehorning here. Just irrational reactivity to something that has not had good visibility on Trek.

Trek is behind the times on this one.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Im entitled to suggest that I am the very thing I'm complaining about. I would have thought it (sadly) is quite a rare perspective. I don't care about statistics, just stop shoehorning gay characters in just to make headlines. That's all.

When was the last time it really made any headlines though? LGBT characters are in practically every show nowadays. It's not shoehorning, it's representing the norm which Trek wasn't doing for FAR too long.

 

[Jayson1]

TV Guide knew.

I don't get it. Xena and Gabby were just very close friends.

Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think the EMH was more of the dad in her life. Well the dad who dressed her in a catsuit and also developed a crush but that was really just one episode.


Jason

In the beginning Seven had no hair everywhere.

He seeded and cultivated the intensity and pattern of the woman's armpit hair with tweezers, despite that he didn't seem to be allowed to seed and cultivate the intensity and pattern of his own barren scalp.

His head was living vicariously through her pits.

 

[Guy Gardener]

When was the last time it really made any headlines though? LGBT characters are in practically every show nowadays. It's not shoehorning, it's representing the norm which Trek wasn't doing for FAR too long.

I watched The L Word Q Generation as it aired earlier this year, and the only time they let a straight person have any lines, they were a villain or a waitress.

Fairs fair.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Interview with Michelle Hurd: https://www.etonline.com/star-trek-...al-finale-and-season-2-plans-exclusive-143712

We see also at the very end of the finale, Raffi and Seven of Nine having an intimate moment on the starship. What are you excited to dig into more there?

First of all, the thought that I get to work with Jeri Ryan... That will be nice. So first season is spending time with Patrick Stewart, the second with Jeri. I'll take it. But full disclosure, I have no idea what the second season is going to bring about. But that was a really fun moment and I guess I can just say it... It was funny because we were all down at San Diego Comic-Con [in 2019], and we were all hanging out. I think it was Jonathan Del Arco who took a picture of Jeri and I. We were standing together; I was in a white jumpsuit and she was in a red jumpsuit and we gave each other a hug, and he took a picture. You know those pictures where the lighting is good and everything works for both people?

It just happened to be that it was a nice shot, and he literally went, "Oh my god. Look at this!" We went over to our producers who happened to be sitting together, Akiva [Goldsman], Alex [Kurtzman] and Michael [Chabon], and I think there might've been Kirsten [Beyer] as well, and Jonathan went "Look at this. Look at this picture." They looked at the picture, they all looked at each other. We saw them in a little hubbub, and then they turned to me and Jeri and they're like, Raffi and Seven of Nine, and we were both like, "Oh my god. Yes!"
(...)
...but wouldn't it be great if we could somehow really bring that in to these stories, embrace it and not label it, not make it taboo, but empower it? Make it almost fluid. If you think about it, Raffi and Seven, that would be pretty cool. (...) First of all, male, female, whatever, who wouldn't be ecstatic if Seven of Nine looked their way?

(Underlining is mine. I just love that sentence.)
And now I really, really want to see this picture!

 

[fireproof78]

First of all, male, female, whatever, who wouldn't be ecstatic if Seven of Nine looked their way?

A bit presumptuous. I have no interest in Seven of Nine.