Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 25, 2020.

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  1. 10 - I'm sending the writers orchids!

    31.7%
  2. 9

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  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  5. 6

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  6. 5

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  9. 2

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  10. 1 - Crash and burn!

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  1. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

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    I feel like that could have been satisfying in its own way. But I’m willing to go with the notion that Data had already accepted his death saving Picard, and accepted who he was. Pinocchio at peace with being a puppet in the end, because being a puppet was different than being a real boy but valid just the same.
     
  2. Bollie74

    Bollie74 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Especially since they went overboard with the Discovery season 1 premiere where every Federation and Klingon ship was different... The line up between the Romulans and Starfleet and the line up of Klingon and Starfleet at the Binary stars was oddly similar looking.
     
  3. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

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    It depends on how the space combat technologies play out, doesn't it? Trafalgar was fought by ships-of-the-line; frigates were present for scouting, but they stayed out of the fighting. Although it's an odd look for the Federation, which has always had multiple classes kicking around before.
     
  4. ITDUDE

    ITDUDE Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    So, without rewatching second time yet...
    No Borg cube action
    Starfleet showing up complete disappointment
    Generic starship in Starfleet
    Sutra defeated so easily
    Generic metal arms from Uber synths that played no role in finale
    Picard died with 15 min to go, it was so obvious he was going to be resurrected
    Data alive! Data dead again! Umm well ok
    Riker showing up, as expected
    Seven and Raffi :luvlove:? Where did that come from? Did they even talk to each other at all?

    I dunno about this episode. I’m withholding my final score for now
     
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  5. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

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    It's not like we were supposed to be surprised at Picard ending up in the golem, any more than we were supposed to be surprised by Riker showing up. (If they didn't want us to see that coming, they wouldn't have put him in the "previously on" clips.)
     
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  6. Batai

    Batai Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Or the credits at the beginning of the episode.
     
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  7. Jadeb

    Jadeb Commodore Commodore

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    The snakelike supersynths from beyond were very Lovecraftian, I thought. The Great Old Ones returning. I didn’t love the design, but I like it better in that context.
     
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  8. AlanC9

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    It's funny how TV shows and movies sometimes develop in parallel. I never expected Picard and The Good Place to hit the same points.
     
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  9. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

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    Yet another Mass Effect parallel, for anyone still keeping score.
     
  10. rfmcdpei

    rfmcdpei Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I've shared Michael Chabon's interview with Variety elsewhere, and I think it is relevant here, too.

    In “Stardust City Rag,” there’s an implication that Seven of Nine (Jeri Ryan) and Bjayzl (Necar Zadegan) might have been lovers at one time. Given the history of the LGBTQ characters in your body of work, I wondered why there weren’t any more sort of explicitly queer characters this season?

    Well, the way that people’s identity is constructed with sexuality as a component of it, in my experience, it emerges in a much more organic [way], and not like wearing a t-shirt that says, you know, Queer Power — or the equivalent in the 24th century. We get to know these characters the way we get to know real people. It emerges in conversation when it would emerge in conversation. Like their parentage, for example. It’s really important to me who my parents were. I’m sure it was really important to you for shaping your identity. We don’t know anything about Jurati’s parents except that her father read paper books and she used to interrupt him. We don’t know anything about Raffi’s parents. We don’t know that much about Picard’s parents — even if you’ve watched “TNG.” In terms of the show, it just doesn’t come up.

    Well, on “Star Trek: Discovery,” it was a very big deal that Lt. Stamets, the character played by Anthony Rapp, is gay. So I think there’s a certain subset of “Trek” fandom that was excited about seeing that perpetuate on “Picard.”

    We’re doing it in a different way. We’re doing it in an organic way — what feels organic to me. It emerged in that scene between Bjayzl and Seven. I think it’s pretty explicit, but it’s explicit in a way that feels real. Bjayzl doesn’t say, “We were lovers.” She doesn’t say, “We were a couple,” or anything like that. She says, “We were incredibly close.” It felt, to me, natural. It felt like how somebody would talk about many years later, a relationship that was in the past.

    And it will continue to emerge. I think it’s a part of our understanding of Raffi’s character. In Raffi’s scene where she calls into Starfleet to try to get access for them to the Artifact, and calls that old friend of hers, I mean, to me, the implication is there too in their relationship. But she doesn’t ever say, “I’m going to call this woman that I used to go out with,” and she doesn’t say, “Hey, remember me. I used to be your girlfriend.”
    I did not see this last bit with captain Emily Bosch. This knowledge does make Raffi's reaction all the more sad.

    I would note, having read The Last Best Hope, that Raffi's relationship is shown as being with a man. Nothing in that novel suggests that she might be bisexual to whatever degree.

    As for Seven of Nine, we have frankly seen so little of her potential for relationships before now that she could have whatever sexual orientation she wanted. Maybe she was attracted to Chakotay; maybe Chakotay was simply a safe first target.

    I do agree it would have been nice to see more between Raffi and Seven before that final shot. I think that was not necessary--trauma-bonding can create couples--but it would have been nice.
     
  11. Bad Thoughts

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    About that golem: somewhere Moriarity is crying holographic tears.
     
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  12. Racefuel

    Racefuel Commodore Commodore

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    To everyone who is going off about "why couldn't they use the golem for Data"

    It's very very simple....Spiner doesn't want to keep playing Data, even in an aged, adapting role.

    Picard dealing with mortality and the unresolved guilt over Data was the primary driving force for the entire show. Both were resolved in the final episode of the season.

    I'm positive that the only reason Spiner signed onto this was the assurance that it would be a closed ended story arc for Data.
     
  13. Batai

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    What if the finale had only shown Riker gleefully sticking another pizza in the oven in a 5 second "meanwhile, back on Nepenthe" scene? That would have been a good way to teach people not to jump to conclusions.
     
  14. ITDUDE

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    I'm giving this episode a 10/A. But it's not a solid 10. It's probably one of the weakest 10s I gave to all episodes this season ;)
     
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  15. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

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    Is there any place where that should have come up? I don't think the hair color of people Raffi had relationships with in the past came up either.

    (For the record, I've never dated a blonde, but I'm open to the concept.)
     
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  16. MvRojo

    MvRojo Vice Admiral Admiral

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    He's been in semi-retirement for several years. He wouldn't just kick the Titan's current captain out (he's not TMP Kirk). So he took command of another ship that was available.
     
  17. Batai

    Batai Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    A Kirk double whose undoing was being uninterested in sex? Korby wasn't close to getting it right.:lol:
     
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  18. Tuskin38

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    Narak said the doomsday myth might have existed before his ‘ancestors arrived on Vulcan’. Was that a script error, did they mean Romulus?
     
  19. Racefuel

    Racefuel Commodore Commodore

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    It's referring to the fact that Vulcans and Romulans have a common heritage...Vulcans came first, then Romulans split off from the Vulcans.
     
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  20. Racefuel

    Racefuel Commodore Commodore

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    That's assuming the Titan hasn't been destroyed, lost, hung from a Christmas tree or still in the grip of a giant green space hand.