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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x09 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"

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I think people who say she is or is not evil, should somehow supply their definition of evil in there.

Does self-defense mitigate a verdict of "evil"?
 
Is Jurati evil?

No, but she is also not good. And now they are also implying in PIC that the Admonition via Oh scrambled her mind and she wasn't able to think clearly which would exonerate her further.

The main difference between Jurati and Sutra is for me though that Jurati killed Bruce Maddox because she thought he would actively be part of the reason for the end of all life. He was not some random guy not really involved in it all, not someone who was from her point of view innocent.

Saga on the other hand didn't even oppose Sutra's plans. She didn't say to her that it is a mistake to contact those evolved synthetic lifeforms. Soji voiced such doubts, but Sutra didn't go after her. No, she simply killed of one innocent fellow synth who wasn't in the way of her plan at all. She just treated her like a disposable pawn, like worthless cannon fodder. For someone who wants to contact those evolved androids to rescue her community of synths, she valued the life of one of her own not much at all. And Saga's death likely wasn't even necessary to convince the other synths of her plans. After all 218 Romulan warbirds are on their way and Picard's speech about how he would speak with the Federation on their behalf and get rid of the ban of synths was very easily rebuked by Sutra and Soong.
 
Jurati killed one dude after a mind meld, Picard killed hundreds or thousands of people at wolf 359 after getting borg'd

I guess the difference is Jurati covered it up and took a while to snap out of it she seemed to be go along with the romulans for a bit there
 
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Jurati killed one dude after a mind meld, Picard killed hundreds or thousands of people at wolf 359 after getting borg'd

Not sure it is comparable, as she seemed to have some free will and other options like telling someone.

Jurati has "go away" heat with me, anyway. I like the show overall, but hate how this character is written. Not buying Rios' feelings for her either. It just isn't there for me.
 
Yeah. They laid on that Picard's dying really thick. Like I said before. I feel like Picard will be transferred into the android body. I'm not sure what I think of that. Or it might be Jurati. They can punish her for killing Maddox and keep the character in the series at the same time. I don't know what I think of that either. But I think those are the two most likely candidates.

I retract this speculation. I now don't think it's either Jurati or Picard who'll go into the android body.

This idea reminds me of "Return to Tomorrow" (TOS). So either Soong will go into it and then ironically die...

... or if it turns out the theory is right that Rios is a hologram, he'll be going into that body so he'll exist in physical form.

If it turns out that Rios had a mobile emitter, it might be the mobile emitter. Yes, that one. Cue the Doctor from VOY and thus Bob Picardo's appearance in Season 2.
 
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Ah, so we’re defending attempt at mass genocide, are we? She’s atleast 10 years old, don’t give her any excuses. She knows what she is doing. Evil is evil.
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... or if it turns out the theory is right that Rios is a hologram, he'll be going into that body so he'll exist in physical form.
That would be a bizarrely out-of-left-field thing to pull in the finale. There's been no in-show basis to believe that Rios is a hologram.
 
That would be a bizarrely out-of-left-field thing to pull in the finale. There's been no in-show basis to believe that Rios is a hologram.
At this point, I feel like we could watch him get horribly wounded right there on screen and be bleeding everywhere, and folk here would still be saying, "Wow, what a sophisticated holo-projector, simulating the wound like that just to pull the wool over our eyes." :shrug:
 
Even moreso, really! Khan may have been a former tyrant but when he spoke of "great dreams" and "great aspirations" during the Eugenics Wars of the 1990s he did it in a heartfelt and sincere way where you could tell he genuinely believed what he was saying. There was passion and humanity in those words even if he was not exactly a good example of humanity. Sutra just comes across as sinister and creepy and bereft of what Soong or Maddox would likely have wanted her to show to others.
That's just because Ricardo Montalban was a better actor.;)
 
Don't know if this has been discussed in the last 55 pages and don't want to read them all. Did I miss it, or did they not show who the twin of Beautiful Flower is?
 
That's just because Ricardo Montalban was a better actor.;)
Not really the reason, IMHO. It's because Khan basically got an episode focused on him, while Sutra is one of many characters sharing screen time in this episode. The writers had more time to work with him and did a better job fleshing him out.
 
Spock was able to mindmeld with machine life forms such as Nomad and V'Ger. Why shouldn't the opposite be possible?
Because in the earlier episode with Deanna Troi; she couldn't empathically sense Soji; (who by the way is more advanced than sutra as Soji is a organic Android and should actually have a better chance of being empathically readable), and that's how Troi immediately knew Soji was an Android.

So yes while Star Trek in general has been all over the place with this type of thing; The writers of this season of "Star Trek Picard" can't even maintain consistency across two episodes.
 
Being readable from the outside may be an entirely different thing from being the one doing the reading. It really all depends on how Betazoid and Vulcan telepathy works, which we know nothing about. They may be based on different principles entirely.
 
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