Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[Gonzo]

This cracks me up. Space battles will be nothing like what the movies show and demanding accuracy now is the most hilarious thing to me.

Spoiler: 1x09

Must be a reason why the scriptwriters decided there needed to be so many Romulan ships, its really overkill unless something is going to turn up that makes the Romulans look like they brought 200 fly swatters to a gun fight.

Even a small group of fully functional Tactical Borg Cubes couldn't stand against those numbers so whatever it is its going to be pretty nasty.

I just think the whole situation is a colossal trap, the only question is who is the intended target, is it the Romulans, the Synths or everyone.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Yeah. Like that TWOK battle!!!

They went to fair lengths to make that one feel realistic. The whole two-dimensional thinking and Z minus 10,000 meters.

My brother always complained about original BSG and the Vipers manuvering like jet fighters. I felt nuBSG did a better job with how the fighters moved and swiveled.

 

[Tarek71]

I reckon the rangers will have a famous ship as their flag if they show up. Maybe Defiant

They might indeed.

 

[fireproof78]

They went to fair lengths to make that one feel realistic. The whole two-dimensional thinking and Z minus 10,000 meters.

Oh, I know. I was just thinking to myself that I could completely edit it to use submarine footage and it would work fairly well.

But, that's the exception, not the rule. Demanding realism now is kind of like closing the barn door after the barn burned down.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Oh, I know. I was just thinking to myself that I could completely edit it to use submarine footage and it would work fairly well.

But, that's the exception, not the rule. Demanding realism now is kind of like closing the barn door after the barn burned down.

The first barn sank into the swamp. The second barn sank into the swamp, The third barn burnt down, fell over, then sank into the swamp.

 

[Tarek71]

I reckon the rangers will have a famous ship as their flag if they show up. Maybe Defiant

Hopefully Captain Crandall arrives as well.

 

[Tarek71]

Ive always allowed for a certain suspension of disbelief when it comes to these things, including space warfare, but we shouldnt have to suspend our higher brain functions. Some of these things achieve such an epic level of dummery that I think it's fair to say that a better effort could have been made.

 

[fireproof78]

Ive always allowed for a certain suspension of disbelief when it comes to these things, including space warfare, but we shouldnt have to suspend our higher brain functions. Some of these things achieve such an epic level of dummery that I think it's fair to say that a better effort could have been made.

Once I studied realistic space combat that pretty much had the potential to ruin all space combat for me.

So, I will always distance myself from that option.

 

[137th Gebirg]

The first barn sank into the swamp. The second barn sank into the swamp, The third barn burnt down, fell over, then sank into the swamp.

Did the fourth one stay up?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Did the fourth one stay up?

We're waiting on confirmation. There were FOUR BARNS!

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

They went to fair lengths to make that one feel realistic. The whole two-dimensional thinking and Z minus 10,000 meters.

My brother always complained about original BSG and the Vipers manuvering like jet fighters. I felt nuBSG did a better job with how the fighters moved and swiveled.

I love the TWOK battle its got suspense rather tahn just having 2 ships pointing at each other blasting away and they did at least try think about what would happen in a space battle

nuBSG is also the first show I remember to have capital ships fight at odd angles and not lined up.

 

[ITDUDE]

Spoiler: 1x09

Must be a reason why the scriptwriters decided there needed to be so many Romulan ships, its really overkill unless something is going to turn up that makes the Romulans look like they brought 200 fly swatters to a gun fight.

Even a small group of fully functional Tactical Borg Cubes couldn't stand against those numbers so whatever it is its going to be pretty nasty.

I just think the whole situation is a colossal trap, the only question is who is the intended target, is it the Romulans, the Synths or everyone.

I thought Tactical Borg Cubes were more powerful (offensively) than regular Borg Cubes? Need to rewatch that episode again.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought Tactical Borg Cubes were more powerful (offensively) than regular Borg Cubes? Need to rewatch that episode again.

It depends on the class.

 

[Dukhat]

Personally I love the new Romulan ships. They look like an evolution of the valdore type warbirds

They were designed by the same guy. Interestingly, the new Romulan ships do not have warp nacelles like the Valdore and D'Deridex ships did.

They should take some pointers from older Trek or even better The Expanse. Spaceships don't need that much aerodynamics

They were designed by a guy who is into airplanes, even though they do not make logical sense for a spacecraft design, unless they have the ability to enter the atmosphere and land.

I reckon the rangers will have a famous ship as their flag if they show up. Maybe Defiant

Unless they stole a Defiant. The rangers are not Starfleet so they wouldn't have Starfleet vessels.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

They were designed by the same guy. Interestingly, the new Romulan ships do not have warp nacelles like the Valdore and D'Deridex ships did.

So they're going the Klingon Bird of Prey route where they have Warp Wings.

See Rick Sternbach's "Klingon Bird of Prey: Owner's WorkShop manual".

=D

 

[Gonzo]

I thought Tactical Borg Cubes were more powerful (offensively) than regular Borg Cubes? Need to rewatch that episode again.

They generally are yes, plus they have better armor.

It wouldn't matter if they were being hit by that many Romulan ships though.

Clearly the Zhat Vash are not taking any chances.

 

[Timo]

Surely a Tactical Cube is automatically inferior to the regular Strategic Cube!

The episode makes no comment on whether this tiny thing fighting our VOY heroes is a greater or lesser threat than the usual big things, or greater or lesser than her own modest size would suggest. There's just this fight that ends in what's essentially a draw, just as with most things Borg.

As for "taking no chances", Trek space combat takes place in the terms of the Mahanian theory of naval warfare. The technology is the same: ships that can close in on point blank range at will, take a lot of direct punishment before sinking, and deliver a broad-spectrum hail of fire with both immense capital ship guns and puny secondary peashooters. This technology dictates Mahan's logical key tenet: you always bring everything. The side with the more numerous guns always wins. The side that leaves ships behind in a reserve automatically loses, every battle, and thus the entire war.

Mahan was a pre-dreadnought guy, and from the viewpoint of WWII and even parts of WWI, an idiot. But he's definitely the go-to man for battles fought with Trek hardware. And everything we see in DS9 and now PIC suggests that the characters read his works, even if the writers didn't...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ronald Held]

If Romulan ships were design with some thought of what came before them,why wasn't the same done for Starfleet/Federation ships?

 

[cooleddie74]

Well, I'm no big fan of most DSC starship designs but to the credit of the 2385 rescue armada ships seen above Mars they do have impulse engines that look a lot like Sovereign-class starship impulse engines. I can buy that those ships were from the TNG Movie and Dominion War Era or at least were developed from ships from that era.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, I'm no big fan of most DSC starship designs but to the credit of the 2385 rescue armada ships seen above Mars they do have impulse engines that look a lot like Sovereign-class starship impulse engines. I can buy that those ships were from the TNG Movie and Dominion War Era or at least were developed from ships from that era.

Yeah, those tugs are great. They fit the time period and are a nice callback to Franz Joseph.