There are other major shipyards in Federation space, though. San Francisco and the orbital drydocks at Earth. The Antares Ship Yards. And those are just the two I remember without having to do a Memory Alpha search.
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There are other major shipyards in Federation space, though. San Francisco and the orbital drydocks at Earth. The Antares Ship Yards. And those are just the two I remember without having to do a Memory Alpha search.
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It would be nice to see but its not going to happen unless we get some time travel shenanigans.
It is long gone, could see another Galaxy class though, all you then need to do is take a screen grab and change the registry.
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Yeah there will be plenty of other places that ships of all sizes can be built.
Resources are not a problem either.
Ahem.. Half of Enterprise-D is on Veridian III, mostly intact and perhaps very much salvageable since a lot of time has past and new salvage technologies could have appeared. The other half they can borrow from any number of Galaxy class ships that have been left over from Dominion War. The class leading USS Galaxy was said to suffer heavy damage. They could scuttle her saucer and re-use her stardrive for Enterprise-D. And voila, we have our Enterprise-D back, with Riker in command
And even if Utopia Planitia did 90% of the shipbuilding work for Starfleet did the individual member worlds of the Federation who had their own space fleets before 2161 suddenly forget how to construct deep space vessels and dismantle every piece of shipbuilding equipment and shelve the technology? I doubt it.
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Or they can just send someone outside with some paint and a brush to change the registry on the USS Challengers hull and see if anyone notices.Ahem.. Half of Enterprise-D is on Veridian III, mostly intact and perhaps very much salvageable since a lot of time has past and new salvage technologies could have appeared. The other half they can borrow from any number of Galaxy class ships that have been left over from Dominion War. The class leading USS Galaxy was said to suffer heavy damage. They could scuttle her saucer and re-use her stardrive for Enterprise-D. And voila, we have our Enterprise-D back, with Riker in command
Then why didn’t those other shipyards continue production of the Romulan evacuation fleet?
How do you know this?
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Starfleet and the Federation were looking for an excuse to abandon the rescue, Picard said as much in the episode, the attack on Mars gave them the excuse they wanted.
The amount of resources that an Alpha/Beta quadrant spanning Federation is capable of producing is enormous, the loss of one shipyard and the resources that had already been used would be replaced quickly enough as to not be an issue if they had wished it so.
The plan was abandoned due to politics not materials, if it was just a case of materials they would have moved ahead with Raffi's alternative plan.
The ringship Enterprise. Confuse the heck out of everyone.
Except Clancy told Picard that the evacuation didn’t resume because they didn’t have enough ships left after the attack, as well as the political reasons. Even though the dearth of ships wasn’t the main reason why the evacuation didn’t continue, there’s no reason why Clancy would have made that up, especially since we see Picard immediately after the attack try so desperately to get more ships that he resorted to acquiring mothballed ships with reserve officers. That tells me that Starfleet didn’t have the resources to build large ships like the Odyssey class.
The only Enterprise I care about is the 1701. And I'm pretty sure that ain't showing up.
why even give Picard a ship in S2, as his relationship with Starfleet C in C is not the best?
Because they were working on Federation ships?
Because of the politics of secession Clancy talked about?
Because the Federation has trillions of people spread across thousands of worlds, and we, today, on one world, have way more shipyards than Trek ever mentioned?
But apparently not enough of them.
You’re applying real world logic to a show that has none. This is a show in which
Commodore Oh was behind the synth attack on Mars to make the Federation ban synthetic life, but the result of the attack was that Oh’s planet was destroyed without its people being evacuated by the very humanitarian aid from the Federation that those ships were being built for. That makes zero logical sense.
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Because he is about to be proven right.
Raffi: "It's the Enterprise, Admiral!"
Picard: "Which one?"
Raffi: "A- All of them!"
Captain Shon (Enterprise-F): "Ready to assist, Admiral."
Captain Worf (retired Enterprise-E): "It'll be an honor to serve with you again."
Commander Riker (rebuilt Enterprise-D): "They reactivated me and our ship, Jean-Luc."
Lieutenant Castillo (Enterprise-C): "I just escaped from a hidden Romulan colony."
Retired Admiral Demora Sulu (retired Enterprise-B): "Nice to meet you, Admiral."
Former President Pavel Chekov (retired Enterprise-A): "Scotty helped piece together this old bucket o' bolts, Jean-Luc. The real top brass has your back."
Fleet Captain Christopher Pike (illusory Enterprise NCC-1701): "The Talosians told me what was happening to the galaxy, and they sent me here to save it."
Immortal beagle Porthos (Enterprise NX-01): "Woof."
Picard: "Which one?"
Raffi: "A- All of them!"
Captain Shon (Enterprise-F): "Ready to assist, Admiral."
Captain Worf (retired Enterprise-E): "It'll be an honor to serve with you again."
Commander Riker (rebuilt Enterprise-D): "They reactivated me and our ship, Jean-Luc."
Lieutenant Castillo (Enterprise-C): "I just escaped from a hidden Romulan colony."
Retired Admiral Demora Sulu (retired Enterprise-B): "Nice to meet you, Admiral."
Former President Pavel Chekov (retired Enterprise-A): "Scotty helped piece together this old bucket o' bolts, Jean-Luc. The real top brass has your back."
Fleet Captain Christopher Pike (illusory Enterprise NCC-1701): "The Talosians told me what was happening to the galaxy, and they sent me here to save it."
Immortal beagle Porthos (Enterprise NX-01): "Woof."
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They could have continued with the resources they had and chose not to, Raffi's alternate plan took that into consideration.
The answer was still no to any kind of rescue plan no matter how pared down it was, that was politics plain and simple, Picard even called them on it.
It wasn't a matter of resources alone as more could have been gathered, it was also a question of available time, even so they could have attempted a limited rescue if they had wanted to, the reality is that they didn't want to and it was politically easier not to bother.
I appreciate you don't want to see an Odyssey class but that decision has already been made one way or the other, even if as you say they didn't have the resources to build them at the time, they most certainly did have the resources in the 15 years following the attack on Mars, to think that an attack on a single shipyard would cripple ship building in the entire Federation for a year never mind 15 is ridiculous.
It was only one Shipyard that was hit and your argument might have some sliver of merit if the attack had also been aimed at crippling the gathering of critical resources or the logistics of transporting those resources to where they are needed.
That was not the purpose of the attack, it was to destroy all the Synthetic crews and fool the Federation into banning Synthetic Research, the Federation took the bait.
That's fanatics for you
I don’t care whether they show an Odyssey class ship or not. My opinion has nothing to do with my personal feelings about it (though I will admit that I’m not a fan of the design, but I haven’t been a fan of any Enterprise design since TNG ended.) It has to do with my opinion about Starfleet’s resources as of 2399. If they show a thousand Odyssey class ships in the season finale, great. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong. But I don’t think that’s going to happen.
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