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Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"

Rate 1x07 Nepenthe

  • 10 - Wild Beard Riker

    Votes: 110 36.9%
  • 9

    Votes: 95 31.9%
  • 8

    Votes: 53 17.8%
  • 7

    Votes: 22 7.4%
  • 6

    Votes: 7 2.3%
  • 5 - Full Beard Riker

    Votes: 2 0.7%
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    Votes: 4 1.3%
  • 3

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • 2

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • 1 - Season 1 Riker

    Votes: 3 1.0%

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Interesting that Chabon think TNG Klingons were inspired by the Kzinti.
 
Having just rewatched...I didn't catch any references to limited access. If you think about it, the Troi-Rikers are in a particular situation where they'd have use for such a planet. 24th century medical science would usually be up to handling most illness, and would have been in this case if not for the synth ban. They settled, they own the land, Big Brother Federation doesn't have any call to kick them off-planet.
I guess I had the wrong impression of the place. I was thinking it was like Lourdes or Medjugorje of the future, only real, where people without hope would go. But apparently it's more like moving to Arizona when you have TB.

Another thing I watched for was the Fenris Ranger signal device. It seems that Elnor just happened upon it dangling underneath a desk that he was hiding under. Hugh's desk? Maybe they'll clarify next week.
That's what I remember seeing.
 
First, what I hated about this episode. The entire XB storyline. What was the point? No, that’s a serious question. It didn’t have a point other than having a space fortress which Picard has to rescue Soji. That’s it as far as I can tell.

What was the point of brining back Hugh, only to kill him? If Hugh did as Picard was trying to escape, then the death would have more impact and narrative meaning. Picard’s mission has consequences, and now he must live with Hugh’s death..
They will use his death to motivate other characters. The fact that Elnor, ridiculously, struck up a BFF-forever friendship with him in, like, 10 minutes, must account for something. I do agree it's lazy storytelling.
As it is, Hugh serves only one thing: Picard needed someone to get on the Borg cube. He had no real part of the story. No real exploration of being former Borg...
A hug and calling the Fenris Rangers, but yeah...

Then again, we’re hardly getting the Picard character study we were promised either. Picard is more passive than he was in the first-season of TNG. He isn’t driving the story much since they left Earth. Things fall into place for him because… plot. Picard should’ve been more active in finding Soji’s planet instead of Kestra’s phone-a-friend trick...
I do believe they've gone a bit too far by trying to show us Pcard is different - subtle is not their thing -, up to the point where he looks almost like a bumbling fool who has NO idea whatsover what he's doing, and hardly any agency, but I think that is changing. He has slowly changed in demeanour over the recent episodes, and now he got a lot of TLC plus good advice on Nepenthe. I sure hope he will be more invigorated and more of... The Captain. (Rios notwithstanding.)
The show’s lens is outta whack. It wants us to be invested in Data’s apparent daughter. But the more interesting story, that’s tied to Picard, is the XBs and reclaiming their individuality. Now I want to watch that series, where Picard is fighting xenophobia to integrate the XBs in the Federation...
No Romulan storyline. No conspiracies wrapped in secret organization hidden in a mystery box filled with mysteries for myster's sake.

You could have a stronger refugee and immigration allegory… the one PIC so desperately wants to have but isn’t really interested in exploring.
Agreed. The XBorg, and the Romulans. Not the conspiracy stuff, the situation of the refugees, the majority of them, who are not cartoon villains or samurai rip-offs (I hope). But of course they left the most interesting Romulan characters back on Earth. Just how long does this harvest take?!
The Romulan situation, so far, has been mostly used for Picard's backstory, but they were so heavy on that backstory/ exposition that I'd like to see it addressed in some way. For me, the synth aspect is the weakest, too. However, they have two more seasons to address these things and how they resolve.

Honestly, if Picard wasn't ill, I'd almost see him campaign for Fed presidency. For the old values, for the rainbow coalition of civil rights (claim: "Because we're better than that!") Cue: Spin-off a la West Wing, Federation style!

As it is, I expect Seven to fight for the xB's in some way (and, the way this show rolls, probably die soon after, but that will totally motivate someone else), and whoever will take the torch and fight for the Romulans, it will pobably not be Picard.
 
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They will use his death to motivate other characters. The fact that Elnor, ridiculously, struck up a BFF-forever friendship with him in, like, 10 minutes, must account for something. I do agree it's lazy storytelling.
Have to say, for me that Hugh&Elnor instant friendship was the brightest spot of the show. The mutual trust of good people and their willingness to help, the thing for which I am Star Trek fan.
 
I think part of why Narizzo didn't deal with Hugh immediately is that she wanted to draw Elnor out.
She wasn't aware of Elnor when she put the knife to Hugh's throat the first time, all she wanted was Picard's destination and when he refused the XB's were shot, he still refused but she said she couldn't touch him due to the treaty.

Mind you I have only watched it once.
 
Going by where last week ended, Elnor had already dealt with some Romulans who'd chosen not to live; Rizzo must have been aware of that.
 
Have to say, for me that Hugh&Elnor instant friendship was the brightest spot of the show. The mutual trust of good people and their willingness to help, the thing for which I am Star Trek fan.
So do I, but it has to be told convincingly, and this was too forced for me. (Give him a 10 minute bromance so his death will matter more. In a way, that friendship is a red shirt.) YMMV, of course.
 
Which book would that be? I'm a little behind on my Trek reading.

Also, I thought Dayton Ward's new position adds consultant was primarily to try and keep the meta consistent between the existing books and the new TV series.

And will the books retcon stuff to stay consistent?
The shows are taking no notice of the books and no one expected them to. No efforts are being made - they are contradictory and mainly incompatible.

There's little incentive to adhere to a novel continuity with a few thousand readers when the shows have audiences many, many times larger. It would be the tail wagging the dog.

But yes, there are whisperings about some sort of retcon/reset to conclude the current novel continuity and allign with the new shows.
 
Going by where last week ended, Elnor had already dealt with some Romulans who'd chosen not to live; Rizzo must have been aware of that.
Yeah he could have taken out some of the Romulans but we were not shown it.

Rissa must have known someone was on board if bodies were being found, I didn't get the vibe that she was waiting for them to show though, she seemed to be in a hurry.
 
She was prioritizing the questions. The most important question to her was, where did the synth go? She didn't seem so much in a hurry, more like she was being impatient.

I read that they are plotting the next season. I will really hope they get better with this, as the first season plotting has been atrocious. I agree with ex-astris-scientia on this point: I am worried that only 50% of the mystery will be solved in the remaining three episodes and only 25% will make sense. (In his review of Nepenthe)


 
I agree with ex-astris-scientia on this point: I am worried that only 50% of the mystery will be solved in the remaining three episodes and only 25% will make sense. (In his review of Nepenthe)
would that be so bad? Did we know who killed Jon Arryn at the end of S1 of GoT? Did we know who killed Laura Palmer at the end of S1 of Twin Peaks? Why do we have to know who's behind the Mars Attacks at the end of S1 of PIC? Let's leave a little mysteries for future seasons
 
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The shows are taking no notice of the books and no one expected them to. No efforts are being made - they are contradictory and mainly incompatible.

There's little incentive to adhere to a novel continuity with a few thousand readers when the shows have audiences many, many times larger. It would be the tail wagging the dog.

But yes, there are whisperings about some sort of retcon/reset to conclude the current novel continuity and allign with the new shows.

Only thing that needs resetting is the destiny/Borg stuff oddly. Everything else would still fit. Especially since the shows ‘borrowed’ some stuff.
 
So do I, but it has to be told convincingly, and this was too forced for me. (Give him a 10 minute bromance so his death will matter more. In a way, that friendship is a red shirt.) YMMV, of course.
This "too forced" really make me cry for three days. I waited for seeing a tale of Hugh's life, not just a "tail" of it. Anyway the actor has showed in the short time enough to me to establish a strongest emotional connect to the character. Damn, I'm ruined now. YMMV, of course.
 
She was prioritizing the questions. The most important question to her was, where did the synth go? She didn't seem so much in a hurry, more like she was being impatient.

I read that they are plotting the next season. I will really hope they get better with this, as the first season plotting has been atrocious. I agree with ex-astris-scientia on this point: I am worried that only 50% of the mystery will be solved in the remaining three episodes and only 25% will make sense. (In his review of Nepenthe)



He will have solved Soji’s mystery, and will know who the real big bad he needs to go after is. It’s even possible Starfleet will be back on side by series 2 or part way. Seven will be a benign Borg Queen or not, and the Zhat Vash stuff is the ongoing arc, the ‘Data’s Daughter’ arc the series arc I reckon.
 
This "too forced" really make me cry for three days. I waited for seeing a tale of Hugh's life, not just a "tail" of it. Anyway the actor has showed in the short time enough to me to establish a strongest emotional connect to the character. Damn, I'm ruined now. YMMV, of course.
Oh, I was sad and bummed by his death, too. My whole point was that I didn't need the instant-bromance to make his death sad.
 
He will have solved Soji’s mystery, and will know who the real big bad he needs to go after is. It’s even possible Starfleet will be back on side by series 2 or part way. Seven will be a benign Borg Queen or not, and the Zhat Vash stuff is the ongoing arc, the ‘Data’s Daughter’ arc the series arc I reckon.

I doubt we ever see much of Starfleet in this show - we are going to be getting a lot of Trek content in the next couple of years and part of the appeal of this show is that it does not centre Starfleet or members of the fleet.
 
Only thing that needs resetting is the destiny/Borg stuff oddly. Everything else would still fit. Especially since the shows ‘borrowed’ some stuff.
Picard and Beverly, their child, Data and Lal, Typhon Pact, Bashir and Section 31, new DS9, Admiral Riker, the incompatibles are more than Borg.

Even where major novelverse developments haven't been expressly contradicted yet, there's no reason to presume they occurred in the on screen continuity.

Anyhow, this is diverting this thread when it's got a thread or two of it's own :

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/new...y-may-contain-tv-show-spoilers.295360/page-83
 
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