Which itself has never been a perfect film free from storytelling and other flaws no matter how awesome it is.
I was more into Nutopia.
Indeed and it is becoming painful to deal with that insistence that films capture something that is impossible to capture. I'm seeing it more and more on the Internet, with so many comic book adaptions and the insistence that they capture a feeling that is difficult, if not impossible, to capture on screen.The same can be said of Star Wars, IMO.
People trash the sequels/prequels because they don't get the same "spiritual experience" that they did from A New Hope.![]()
Kirk says as much in A Taste of Armageddon. He's a barbarian and ready to nuke the planet. War is avoided only by choosing to not go there. He later sets up a proxy war with the Klingons in A Private Little War. These are not utopian solutions just very human ones in awful situations that had no easy answers.Even when I was a teenager I didn't buy that the Star Trek universe was an antiseptic and utopian reality free of religion and war.
I saw it at 18, just on the cusp of being out of the range for a "spiritual experience". But nothing beats the first time a Star Destroyer "flies" over your head.The same can be said of Star Wars, IMO.
People trash the sequels/prequels because they don't get the same "spiritual experience" that they did from A New Hope.![]()
I was more into Nutopia.
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I completely agree with you Forever94, in the first post in this discussion. ST:PIC is Dystopian Trek and not Roddenberry Trek (which I also call True Trek), which I feel largely ended with his passing. Gone is the hopeful future where humanity has matured far beyond its current state and for the most part as Forever94 notes where "humans live in peace, respecting all forms of Life, aspiring to be better persons and know the universe we are surrounded by, surpassing racism, arrogance, hate, war..." and use technology responsibly. The Federation is now xenophobic and withdrawn, and the synth attack represents technology out-of-control and/or easily subverted - and also suggests that humanity has once again embraced slavery in a new form. This is outrageous and at complete odds with true Star Trek values, where humanity has evolved far beyond that possibility. ST:PIC is potentially valid as a cautionary tale, but True Trek has generally featured humanity's responsible mastery of technology and the resolution of current problems, not its most terrible failures. So instead of a Trek that embodies a hopeful future to which we can aspire, we are left with a perpetually depressing series infused with failure on almost every level. Instead of featuring the wonders of the universe, productive and mutually enriching cooperation between intelligent species, and wondrous technological development, we are provided with a morbid space soap opera featuring characters filled with angst. I consider ST:PIC a complete failure of the franchise, and a depressing outcome for the Picard character, in spite of spectacular production values, and in spite of the fun of seeing characters again that we have missed for some time. I also consider the recent wave of movies to be devoid of the Roddenberry spirit, and little more than mundane conflict drama acted out by people in appropriated Starfleet uniforms. I also completely reject the "Kelvin Timeline" as Fake Trek. There was no need to destroy Vulcan, etc. That was done merely for cheap shock value. But I digress. It seems that we will never see True Trek again from the powers that be, though it will still be possible in Fan Fiction, which I encourage. True Trek fans can still keep the spirit alive through their own story writing, regardless of what the franchise controlling powers, interested primarily in profit and speaking to the lowest common denominator, dictate for the rest of us.
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Lord, I've seen people argue that General Order 24 wasn't supposed to be an actual thing because they didn't believe Kirk would order the destruction of a planet to make a point. He would. He did.Plus, TOS depicted 23rd century humans as, well, human. Kirk could threaten an entire planet with destruction, McCoy could call Spock bigoted nicknames and officers argued and fought amongst themselves because no matter what the human race goes through in terms of war, scientific development or philosophical evolution we're going to remain impulsive primates that lose our tempers and judge others as being not up to our standards - standards we ourselves often don't manage to live up to but pretend we do.
There's nothing like a fan lecturing me on "real" Star Trek when I've been watching it since I was barely old enough to remember seeing a television in the late 1970s. If you're going to claim that Utopian Nice Manners Trek is "real" Trek you're going to be shot down and repeatedly.
Even when I was a teenager I didn't buy that the Star Trek universe was an antiseptic and utopian reality free of religion and war.
Alas, Brophy already knows, my son, for Brophy knows all.Brophy must be shown this.
The idea of a perfect utopia is very believable for someone who was seven when TNG started. By 14 and the end of the series, I wasn’t buying the utopia concept nearly as much as I did.
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