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Control or Stock Footage?


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Except they are not under the same roof - remember part of the financial model is selling the series to international streaming services - a show that relies on narrative from shows not on your service is less attractive and also contractually complex.

Section 31 is a spin-off of Discovery so Netflix has first rights on it. Picard is not so it can be openly sold.

It is pretty unlikely to me that when Amazon were doing their due diligence they did not ask "this does not rely on strong ties to the Netflix show?"

Cameos, easter eggs and references sure - that we find out that it is an bad guy from an entirely different show? No.
At some future point, if CBS All Access survives, it is all eventually going to end up there.
And with one guy running the whole shebang at this point, I see no problem with threads interconnecting the shows.
 
At some future point, if CBS All Access survives, it is all eventually going to end up there.

But we are not at that future point, cbs has no real international streaming presence to speak of - we have a financial model that requires that shows that are attractive to competing streaming services - this type of interconnection goes against that.
 
But we are not at that future point, cbs has no real international streaming presence to speak of - we have a financial model that requires that shows that are attractive to competing streaming services - this type of interconnection goes against that.

That is something worth noting. unless they have Netflix AND Amazon Prime, in some countries, watching Discovery and Picard as part of some connected plot line is not going to happen. I just don't think Control is in this.
 
That is something worth noting. unless they have Netflix AND Amazon Prime, in some countries, watching Discovery and Picard as part of some connected plot line is not going to happen. I just don't think Control is in this.
Oh please, like there are any Trek fans internationally that aren't already paying for both Netflix and Amazon :)
 
Why is everyone so against a bit of interconnection?
This aint the 1990's with stand alone alien of the week episodes anymore.
 
Why is everyone so against a bit of interconnection?
This aint the 1990's with stand alone alien of the week episodes anymore.
Short answer: Discovery production is crap.
Long answer: Discovery at best has been hit and miss, at worst it's been mostly a miss (and a mess). Many are afraid that anything connected to it may suffer because of it. Because Picard is freaking amazing, it can only become worse by being associated with Discovery.
 
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IMHO there's a big difference between superhero series set on earth and a setting that takes up the entire galaxy. Making everything self-referential and "small universe" makes the setting seem small and tawdry. More like a stage play than a big open universe.

The CW. I don't like where this is going.

It can work if done well. It gives a sense of epicness and raises the stakes. There’s always the chance of it being corny or forced, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing.
 
It can work if done well. It gives a sense of epicness and raises the stakes. There’s always the chance of it being corny or forced, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing.
That's a big if. I don't think I'm alone when I say that epicness and raising the stakes is getting old. Some of the best episodes are very simple and almost no stakes. Discovery raised the stakes so much that at one point all live in the entire multiverse was at stake. How do you top that?
 
I can't see this being a stock footage thing, not in 2020. The reason they used to get away with it is that most people would watch an episode and not notice it, or notice it and shrug their shoulders. Now with social media, all this stuff is important and they've been pretty good with details so far. So why would they recycle footage? Especially with how short the special effects are.
 
i'd actaully prefer it if this storyline connected with discovery, i didn't find the resolution of the control arc particularly satisfying or believable, so if picard can tie up the loose threads, great.

however, i'm in the stock footage camp. there have been a few tweaked establishing shots straight from disco, the wide shot of vashti used footage shot in jordan for the discovery pilot even.
 
It can work if done well. It gives a sense of epicness and raises the stakes. There’s always the chance of it being corny or forced, but it’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Epic stakes make the universe seem small, not big.

Again, think back to TOS. There was a new adventure every week, we never saw Earth, Kirk was tangling mostly with other captains, and the "crisis of the week" was almost always just saving the ship - or at most a single planet. The universe seemed to be this wide-open place of possibility where you could imagine dozens of other "Kirks" doing the exact same thing.
 
i'd actaully prefer it if this storyline connected with discovery, i didn't find the resolution of the control arc particularly satisfying or believable, so if picard can tie up the loose threads, great.

however, i'm in the stock footage camp. there have been a few tweaked establishing shots straight from disco, the wide shot of vashti used footage shot in jordan for the discovery pilot even.
I don't think establishing shots carry the same weight as visions central to the plot.
 
If Airiam comes back, they have to explain who Airiam is for people who don't watch Discovery and they're setting up something that won't happen for another 800 years. For us, we just have to wait a few months? But for the actual characters in Picard? "There's this threat that's going to come in 800 years!" And that's it.

Plus Hannah Cheesman looks pretty busy with writing, producing and some acting lately, according to IMDB. They could always give the role to a 3rd person, sure.
 
I can't see this being a stock footage thing, not in 2020. The reason they used to get away with it is that most people would watch an episode and not notice it, or notice it and shrug their shoulders. Now with social media, all this stuff is important and they've been pretty good with details so far. So why would they recycle footage? Especially with how short the special effects are.

Okay. Try this on for size. These are all fears that Oh has. None of it has happened yet. Unless Oh has the power to see into the future, it's all just what she fears. The recycled shot serves the same purpose "AIs will destroy us all!"

But. Picard has been a staunch defender of AI. The AI characters we see in Picard are on the side of "good". They're being portrayed in a positive light. Thad died because synth-related technological development was banned. Oh is dominated by the Vulcan equivalent of fear. Juarti herself is motivated by fear. Therefore, Picard is going to portray the way they're thinking is "wrong".

Therefore, synths aren't going to destroy everything like they all fear, Picard will be proven right, and the status quo we see in the third season of Discovery will have nothing to do with Picard.

That's my reasoned argument about what I think and why I think it, using examples from the show and putting the motivations of the characters and their points of view into context. If someone else wants to do the same thing from the opposite position, then I'm all ears.
 
I don't think establishing shots carry the same weight as visions central to the plot.
the shots are tweaked just enough that... eh i wouldn't put it past them. hope i'm wrong. we'll see in the next one to three weeks.
 
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