I'd prefer that over any mention of Discovery or Control. Keep Control out of Picard!
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I doubt Chabon has put Control into this. It would not suprise me if the ultimate bad-guy behind the curtain is not AI at all.
Unfortunately I'm not sharing your optimism right this moment
Will, I just watched the online teaser for episode 8, and noticed
a face in similar makeup to Airiam.
4 seconds in.
4 seconds in.
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I'd think the connection to Control is tangential. The pre-schism Vulcans who founded the Zhat Vash probably received the visions from a time traveler, and decided to do everything in their power to avert the future they saw. But remember, Discovery has solved that entire plotline independently in the mid-23rd century (the series was pretty clear about Control being gone for good and the bad future being erased), so by the time we get to the turn of the 25th century, the Zhat Vash are now trying to solve a problem that has already been solved 150 years ago.
What we have to keep in mind is that the Zhat Vash don't necessarily know everything about Control, only that there's (or, technically, there was, they don't know Discovery averted it) an evil AI in the future that needs to be stopped. They don't know what would cause that evil AI to emerge, so they just keep killing every possible emergent AI in the cradle to make sure it never happens.
As I've said elsewhere, one of the core messages of Trek from the first season of TOS has been "there are no monsters, only people." Charlie X was ultimately just a scared and lonely teenager. The Horta was just a grieving mother. Trelane was a child.
It would be stupendously off-brand for Trek to outright say that all synthetic/AI-based life will by definition be corrupted into a botnet, and thus has to be destroyed. Given Trek speaks in allegory, what it would be saying is some people are not people, but a disease - a scourge that needs to be wiped clean. It would be endorsing genocide.
As a literate man, someone who knows Trek well, and a Jew, I cannot believe Chabon would ever "go there."
We can probably leave off spoiler tags here since this is a spoiler tagged already, plus it's mostly conjecture.
But yeah...
I can see how the thing in second pic is related to Airiam somehow..
I love the idea of having connecting threads between the Trek shows separated by centuries, And frankly I would much rather have one AI apocalypse than have multiple different AI apocalypses.
Kurtzman, is that you?
I don’t think the message is all AI will inherently become dangerous. I think the idea is more that if we create beings much stronger than us, one of them will eventually do so. Just like with Eugenics. And make us think about the question of individual rights.
Kurtzman, is that you?
What other explanation could there be for somebody wanting a huge expansive story to be told in the universe he’s loved for nearly 30 years?
But yeah, if this turns out to be another completely different AI threat it will feel like Trek repeating itself. Not all villains have to be AI!
Discovery is already canon and in same Prime universe, as confirmed by Discoprise appearing in first episode. And that’s the problem.
The hologram of the Discoprise didn’t have a name or registry number. So it could be a different ship and a different class than the prime universe TOS Constitution class Enterprise.
It’s a hope I gave up long time ago. It was definitely meant to be the EnterpriseThe hologram of the Discoprise didn’t have a name or registry number. So it could be a different ship and a different class than the prime universe TOS Constitution class Enterprise.
We can probably leave off spoiler tags here since this is a spoiler tagged already, plus it's mostly conjecture.
But yeah...
I can see how the thing in second pic is related to Airiam somehow..
"Why is any object we don't understand always called a 'thing'?"
Kor
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is stock footage.
No, they're not "passed this". Stock footage has been around since the filmed medium itself. These shots are all expensive to create. Picard is expensive to produce. If they can cut corners somewhere, to use money where it matters more somewhere else, they will.
I have no doubt that the Zaht Vash are imagining horrible Doom's Day things. So those are the thoughts Oh communicated to Jurati. Oh fears the worst. So everything she gives Juarti is going to be the worst.
