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Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

I don't see a discernible difference in action between, say, DS9 and PIC. Pacing? Sure.
I haven't watched enough of DS9 but from what I've seen I don't recall anything like the scene in the first episode of PIC where Dahj takes out multiple bad guys.

Now if it's a gradual escalation of the depiction of unrealistic violence throughout the series, okay. I don't see how that's justification for it. I supposed it could be exciting if you were raised on TNG and then were never exposed to any action shows or movies since the early 90s, but by now it's pretty common that everyone has super awesome martial arts moves where one person can take out a small squad of armed villains. We see regular humans do it all the time in Marvel movies.
 
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But that was a one-time thing in the premiere. It's not happening in every episode any more than a bloody hand-to-hand battle and firefight between Jem'Hadar soldiers and Starfleet officers was a regular occurrence every week or even every two weeks.
 
You mean like that time when an engineer got killed, and with everyone in the briefing room to discuss this, Data decides now is an appropriate time to do a goofy Sherlock Holmes impression. Yep, totally treating death like a serious thing.

So that one scene constitutes "most of the time" to you? Yep, totally makes sense.
 
Although I respect critical opinions, I don't think it's fair to say "________ is not real Star Trek." Things naturally evolve and progress, for better or worse.

Utopia
I'm confused that we're describing TNG Earth/Federation as utopia. I never considered it to be utopia, as the very definition is an "imagined place," not real. But I assumed that it was definitely a more enlightened place overall, at least to the point where old problems like drug addiction, racism, and poverty or wealth inequality were a thing of the past. I don't know what that would look like exactly, but I didn't dwell on it, because it was outer space that was interesting. I did get a kick out of seeing brief glimpses of Earth in TOS, TNG and DS9.
I think what made the enlightened vision of Earth interesting in Star Trek was that it was so different from life is like now. So it really made you feel like you were somewhere else. And often times that what SF is about, a form of escapism. And most importantly, it set itself apart from other sci-fi. Most science fiction that I see or read features something like a dystopia, or something just like life today, but with better technology.

Money
Was money being a thing of the past part of this enlightened culture, or was it just something created for the films as an easy way to contrast our future heroes from present-day humans?
I'm guessing that Roddenberry's idea of the future without money was always his intention, but TOS has references to purchasing and getting paid.
It seems like the idea of a future with no money only really started with Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, and it would be easy to dismiss it as something they added just to draw a contrast between our future heroes and present-day humans, not to mention it made for some great movie-comedy bits. They got a LOT of mileage out of a currency-less Federation for that movie. Prior to that it seems like they had money.
The TNG comes around, and Gene had more control so we find out there really isn't any money in the Federation's future, or maybe just Earth's. It's played as something serious, not for laughs.
I think it's a great idea, as it's one more thing to this world feel much different from our own. However, it's hard to wrap your head around: how do things get done if there's no pay? Why go to work if you don't have to? Are there people who just don't work at all?
When DS9 starts we're back to having currency.
I like the idea, but I haven't found anything online that shows that the creators took time to fully realize this idea of a currency-less future. If you're going to do that, you should have the details explained in a story-bible. For example, what happens if the Enterprise is stuck somewhere where they DO use money. And lets say the crew either want or need to buy something. What do they do? Shit outta luck or what?

Violence
I think this is the one issue where I'm not torn. It seems like the way people are killed here are more in line with a typical action-flick than it is with more serious speculative fiction. I appreciate that most of the time death was considered to be a very serious thing in TNG. I'm sure there are some inconsistencies here and there, and that's going to happen when you have multiple writers turning in episodes. But overall, it seems like it was always treated as a regrettable thing, whether it involved an enemy or not. In the first episode of PIC it came across as a little mindless at times. The people in helmets trying to kill Dahj and Picard? Who cares? Just bad guys. Faceless bad guys.

On the killing of faceless bad guys, that was very much life and death and it is what it is. I didn't see it as a big departure. I don't think Star Trek has ever been consistent on this.
Picard did scold Elnor pretty harshly for beheading that dude when it wasn't totally necessary.
 
But that was a one-time thing in the premiere. It's not happening in every episode any more than a bloody hand-to-hand battle and firefight between Jem'Hadar soldiers and Starfleet officers was a regular occurrence every week or even every two weeks.
For the practicalities of a premiere I suppose it was deemed necessary to get people hooked and so there could be YouTube videos titled "Dahjs EPIC fight scene in Star Trek Picard".
However, that doesn't address the issue of Elnor I brought up as well.
And my comparison was TNG, not DS9.
 
Well, TNG was a different beast and was designed that way. It was a "thinking man's TOS." We were never going to get constant action in that series.
 
I haven't watched enough of DS9 but from what I've seen I don't recall anything like the scene in the first episode of PIC where Dahj takes out multiple bad guys.

Now if it's a gradual escalation of the depiction of unrealistic violence throughout the series, okay. I don't see how that's justification for it. I supposed it could be exciting if you were raised on TNG and then were never exposed to any action shows or movies since the early 90s, but by now it's pretty common that everyone has super awesome martial arts moves where one person can take out a small squad of armed villains. We see regular humans do it all the time in Marvel movies.

This is intellectually confused. Dahj was superhuman. There's no realism issue.

How should a superhuman combatant pitted against a bunch of normal combatants look?
 
For the practicalities of a premiere I suppose it was deemed necessary to get people hooked and so there could be YouTube videos titled "Dahjs EPIC fight scene in Star Trek Picard".
However, that doesn't address the issue of Elnor I brought up as well.
And my comparison was TNG, not DS9.
Most episodes of all the series have an action scene or two.
 
I could also list the entire episode devoted to telling a kid that it's wrong to mourn the death of his mother, on the day she died.
You're just arguing for the sake of arguing now, since my original criticism was in relation to the cliched action sequences of PIC and its portrayal of violence and killing.
Why not bring up that time when Worf wasn't saddened by Geordi's death because he died honorably?
 
Well, TNG was a different beast and was designed that way. It was a "thinking man's TOS." We were never going to get constant action in that series.
Which is what I appreciated about it.
Even if this wasn't a Star Trek show, I'd have a problem with it. Outside of it being a strict action series, I find these depictions of violence to be boring and unrealistic. I think there's instances in film and television when it's portrayed in a way that drives home the how gruesome and awful it can really be.
Scenes ff the top of my head [spoilers]:

Reservoir Dogs. When Mr. Orange gets shot. He's crying, screaming at times, asks to be held, is punching and kicking the windows of a car, begging and pleading to be taken to a hospital.

Saving Private Ryan when that one American soldier is slowly stabbed by the German on the stairway.

Any movie where the character has to grapple with the lives they've taken, whether it was justified or not.

But that's one part of my criticism.
 
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