The description of the "crazy old man" who makes up stories doesn't sound very Tuvok like.
Spoilers Episode 7 "Nepenthe"
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It's not a known character, at least I don't think so. When Kestra first references him, she calls him Captain Crandall and says he's older than Picard. When she brings him up again later in front of Riker and Troi, they call him by his first name but I don't remember what it is. Robert or Rupert I think.
That's when the conversation about the Rikers thinking he's basically crazy and making up stories to tell Kestra comes up. Kestra tells Picard that he's supposedly been everywhere from Kronos to Tyken's Rift and Deanna is basically like "so he claims". Kestra keeps going and says he has a ship but it's broken and Riker says "and so is whatever Crandall".
This is all before Kestra contacts him with some communicator phone thing she has and he figures out where the planets Soji and Picard are looking for are
Robert Crandall? As in former American Airlines CEO?
Except, they forgot to paint the tattoo onto the plank of wood, leading to a thread speculating about what happened to Chakotay's tattoo. Which gets shot down because visuals aren't canon.
Actually, Vicki Lawson is in that cabinet with those Starfleet uniforms.
Well, damn. What a wasted opportunity
(Though on the other hand, if it'd been another existing character it could have ended up as one cameo too many in such a short space of time...)
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So, that I am clear, Kestra is the daughter of Riker and Troi, yes?
Yes. Troi and Riker had two kids. A daughter Kestra who is like 13 and is in the episode and a son Thad who died, I assume, fairly recently since they still have his room up at the Riker's house. Troi says he would have been 18 the week before.
Did he die from falling into a pond?
The Kestra stuff feels totally off to me, almost s if from nother show, but it oes compute with several scenes from the trailers, so...
So his son was possibly named after this guy: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Thaddius_Riker
So Born in 2381 and Kestra is around 2386?
I'm just trying to imagine that conversation.
"Let's name him Thad."
"Why Thad?"
"After an ancestor of mine who lived five hundred years ago and befriended a Q."
"You want to name your first born son after an ancestor from five hundred years ago who was friends with Q?"
"Not Q Q, another Q. A friendly one."
"Whatever. You're not getting any input on the next one, though."
So... assuming Hugh’s fate is sealed, what do we think the reaction here and on the Interwebz in general will be? Will lots of people rage quit Star Trek? Will there be lots of articles published about it? Or will it get mostly ignored?
There was some noise about Icheb, but not as much as I would have expected. Will people care more about Hugh compared to Icheb?
There was some noise about Icheb, but not as much as I would have expected. Will people care more about Hugh compared to Icheb?
I'd say people are going to be more upset, one reason being that Jonathan Del Arco was a big part of the PIC promo tours and all. I see so many comments about people wanting to know "what Hugh is up to now". I'm also a little afraid of "this show introduces characters from previous shows only to kill them off" backlash.
Manu will rejoice! I honestly have no idea. I would argue that I see less narrative value in Hugh's death than in Icheb's except for culling characters, but in that case I would choose others. But I doubt internet outrage works like that. I liked both characters, but Hugh was more interesting imho.
I am worried it will look like killing characters just for the sake of killing them/ being unpredictible/ edgy.
I am worried it will look like killing characters just for the sake of killing them/ being unpredictible/ edgy.
My only problem with them killing characters is that it's happening too often and too arbitrarily, ie they aren't being given noble deaths, going down fighting, etc. Set up a myth arc about finding Maddox, but kill him off asap. Introduce Icheb, only to turn his scene into a Saw rip-off. Bring back Hugh, but surprise surprise, he's dead by the end of the next episode.
By all means kill 'em off, but so many deaths, week in week out, another murder, it feels like the writers can't actually tell any other stories. It makes the cavalcade of all these people being introduced feel kinda pointless. They let 7 go last week, but I'm not confident the season ends without bringing her back to kill her off too...
(As an aside, Melinda Snodgrass, the writer of Measure of a Man, recently came out and said she had no idea Maddox was going to be used, she only learned about it after his appearance, and she pointed out that, be cause Measure of a Man was a spec script and she was not on staff yet at the time, CBS/Secret Hideout owe her royalites for the use of her character. Royalties they have not yet negotiated with her and haven't paid. Sounds like another legal headache is coming for the production team, unless they do some serious reaching out to her, and she's a lawyer too, so if they've accidentally used the character thinking he's the creation of a staff writer and therefore free to use, then she's gonna have a field day cleaning out their bank accounts in court
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I'm liking that Riker and Troi's children are named Thad (for Thaddius Riker) and Kestra (for Deanna's older sister, played by Kirsten Dunst in that one episode where we learn she died when Troi was just a little baby). Neat touch.
Liking the sound of the Troi/Riker stuff. It sounds in keeping with them, while also expanding their characters beyond what we would ever have got on TNG.
I wonder if it'll be remembered somewhere down the line that Deanna has got another sibling now? Lwaxana was pregant the last time we saw her on Deep Space Nine, so somewhere out there, Deanna's got another half-sibling....
By all means kill 'em off, but so many deaths, week in week out, another murder, it feels like the writers can't actually tell any other stories. It makes the cavalcade of all these people being introduced feel kinda pointless. They let 7 go last week, but I'm not confident the season ends without bringing her back to kill her off too...
(As an aside, Melinda Snodgrass, the writer of Measure of a Man, recently came out and said she had no idea Maddox was going to be used, she only learned about it after his appearance, and she pointed out that, be cause Measure of a Man was a spec script and she was not on staff yet at the time, CBS/Secret Hideout owe her royalites for the use of her character. Royalties they have not yet negotiated with her and haven't paid. Sounds like another legal headache is coming for the production team, unless they do some serious reaching out to her, and she's a lawyer too, so if they've accidentally used the character thinking he's the creation of a staff writer and therefore free to use, then she's gonna have a field day cleaning out their bank accounts in court
)I'm liking that Riker and Troi's children are named Thad (for Thaddius Riker) and Kestra (for Deanna's older sister, played by Kirsten Dunst in that one episode where we learn she died when Troi was just a little baby). Neat touch.
Liking the sound of the Troi/Riker stuff. It sounds in keeping with them, while also expanding their characters beyond what we would ever have got on TNG.
I wonder if it'll be remembered somewhere down the line that Deanna has got another sibling now? Lwaxana was pregant the last time we saw her on Deep Space Nine, so somewhere out there, Deanna's got another half-sibling....
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Yeah, but who are they killing off?
- Data was already dead in Nemesis. Nothing they could do there. Data's death already came with the furniture.
- Dahj was killed at the end of the first episode but she has an identical sister, Soji. And where there's one, there's another. So is Dahj really gone? Or just that version?
- Icheb was killed off, but that was only to show how evil the people were that Seven was facing.
- If Hugh is killed off, he wasn't a main character.
1) If Icheb was killed for plot purposes to establish where Seven of Nine is, both emotionally and in terms of her situation, then they want to continue her plot. This is a three-season series it seems, so presumably they'd have her for the three seasons.
2) If the Fenris Rangers become integral to Picard, since Starfleet isn't the main focus, then Seven of Nine would represent them for this series' purposes.
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