Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek
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Off topic. Amy Klobuchar is a poser who pretends to be a fan.
I agree with everything you said but, because of who's in Picard, I expect more comparisons to TNG than not. And, like I've said before, this is the first time it's the TNGers who are in the hot seat. So I knew we'd see these types of reactions. It's just one of those things that has to run its course.
OK, it's fair to bring up how TNG fans might not be as broadly aware of what has happened in the franchise. However, even confining ourselves to TNG, those who are complaining seem to lack an awareness of what actually happened in TNG. There is a familiar pattern: a screed which complains about these abstract Roddenberry principles without actually referencing what happens in TNG episodes. As posters respond with examples from episodes that show how complex even TNG was, the nature of the complaint shifts into other areas. I disagree with many things Lore Reloaded has said, but he got this right: Roddenberry's worldview slowly fades from Star Trek in season 3. By season 5, the writers were digging into issues that Roddenberry would have proscribed.
Of course, not all fans are responding this way. I've read numerous posters on this site who have critiqued the show in thoughtful ways. They display their knowledge of TNG rather than repeat bulletpoints from a memo. Not all the people who have displayed their hate for Picard are cut from the same cloth.
The most ineffective way to criticize new Star Trek is to argue that it goes against Gene's vision because fans have been arguing about Gene's vision for decades and decades. Many posters have referenced examples in old Star Trek where the show went darker and unRodenberry.
Season 1 episode 25 of TNG looked pretty dark to me, it shows somehow that the federation can have an evil side and that Star Trek can be gorey.
Roddenberry was still alive and well at that point.
Now, Darmok instead comes from season 5 episode 2 and Roddenberry was dead at this point, but still this is the most positive and utopic episode ever produced with the most positive message against racism etc. And no gore
Roddenberry was still alive and well at that point.
Now, Darmok instead comes from season 5 episode 2 and Roddenberry was dead at this point, but still this is the most positive and utopic episode ever produced with the most positive message against racism etc. And no gore
Rodenberry loved Conspiracy when the script was rewritten to include the parasites. Originally it was supposed to be about some rogue Admirals who hated the Prime Directive.
I think Gene would have loved Darmok for the reasons you stated.
Yes. I love how "In the Pale Moonlight" is suddenly now "Roddenberrian".
It's either forgetfulness, the effects of rose-tinted nostalgia, or outright revisionist history.
Rodenberrys ideas were out of date circa 1990 and didn't move with the times.
Based on how Harve Bennett and Nicholas Meyer relegated him to an almost completely powerless position for TWOK I'd say his ideas were already becoming out-of-style by 1981.
At that time, Roddenberry's vision was Spock assassinating John F. Kennedy.
Apparently his vision needed a rifle-mounted scope.
It does sometimes seem as though people tend to compare the latest STAR TREK not to the actual shows of the past but to some platonic, idealized version of STAR TREK that exists mostly in their own heads. "'The old shows never did that . . . not counting the seventeen times they did." 
Or they "channel" Roddenberry from beyond the grave to put their words in his mouth:
"Roddenberry would have never allowed Star Trek to air on a paid streaming service!:"
"Roddenberry would have never allow gratuitous skin and titillation on STAR TREK!"
(I swear to Landru, I've actually seen both of those!)
Or they "channel" Roddenberry from beyond the grave to put their words in his mouth:
"Roddenberry would have never allowed Star Trek to air on a paid streaming service!:"
"Roddenberry would have never allow gratuitous skin and titillation on STAR TREK!"
(I swear to Landru, I've actually seen both of those!)
Someone, somewhere, has to photoshop Spock holding the newspaper and a phaser, a la Lee Harvey.
Roddenberry would have projected Phase Two onto our retinas with an Alex DeLarge-style head brace if he could have made a fortune from it. Think of the Ktarian game headset only with 1970s Logan's Run clothes.
I would make everyone that mention the "roddenberry vision" as an argument to watch TOS Turnabout Intruder for 3 hours straight.
Then I'd give them a mandatory 3 hours rewatch of TNG Justice.
Let's see their opinion on DSC and PIC then
Then I'd give them a mandatory 3 hours rewatch of TNG Justice.
Let's see their opinion on DSC and PIC then
The romulans still use those two episodes to torture prisoners
It does sometimes seem as though people tend to compare the latest STAR TREK not to the actual shows of the past but to some platonic, idealized version of STAR TREK that exists mostly in their own heads. "'The old shows never did that . . . not counting the seventeen times they did."
I've seriously seen people use the argument of "Don't tell me 'this was done before on Star Trek' - that doesn't count! If you don't have any better arguments than THAT, you don't deserve to discuss this!!!"
I literally sat there like "
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Sounds like a case of confirmation bias to me, remembering only those aspects/facts that support a persons argument and blocking out those that don't.I've seriously seen people use the argument of "Don't tell me 'this was done before on Star Trek' - that doesn't count! If you don't have any better arguments than THAT, you don't deserve to discuss this!!!"
I literally sat there like "
Pardon my language but...
WHAT DA FUQ!
That makes no sense...Star Trek needs to be more like old Trek which means you can't bring up old Trek examples of what new Trek is doing and I...I...
*implodes*
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