Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

[Hythlodeus]

What exactly?

well FC is both a psychological study about a severly traumatized JL confronting the cause of his trauma AND a cautionary tale to not believe the myths about your visionary heroes, because they did what they did for money and island full of naked women. It's basically a "Fuck You" to the idea that Gene's Vision is greater than Gene's Doucheness
TWOK is about pew pew fights in space against a cool villain and..erm...something something getting older

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Oh, cool.

 

[Longinus]

So do the Kelvin films.

Yep. You find more plotholes on the second viewing.

 

[fireproof78]

Yep. You find more plotholes on the second viewing.

True. But, I love the characters so much. And the underlying theme. I can live with plot holes.

Been living with them since I was 8.

 

[Longinus]

True. But, I love the characters so much. And the underlying theme.

That silly caricatures can become great heroes instantly because of destiny? OK, I never really found that angle compelling.

 

[fireproof78]

That silly caricatures can become great heroes instantly because of destiny? OK, I never really found that angle compelling.

No, but that's ok.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The problem with 22 eps is that you get a lot of filler. You get howlers like "Threshold," "Alice," "Take Me Out to the Holosuite," and "Spock's Brain".

The BermaTrek era actually saw the shows pumping out twenty-SIX episodes a season.

You did not just put "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" on the same level as "Threshold", "Alice" and "Spock's Brain". If you want to put a Deep Space Nine episode on the list, go with "Profit and Lace". Now there's a howler...

 

[Bad Thoughts]

You did not just put "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" on the same level as "Threshold", "Alice" and "Spock's Brain". If you want to put a Deep Space Nine episode on the list, go with "Profit and Lace". Now there's a howler...

TMOTTH also wasn't filler. It was a conscious attempt to get as much time as possible for a long arc from the studio. I believe that Behr et al would gladly have taken those episodes to work on the war.

 

[Damian]

I honestly wouldn't try to compare Berman era Trek with Kurtzman era Trek. Television has changed so much in the last 10 years alone. When Berman was in charge TV shows still followed the traditional 20-25 episode model. It was pretty groundbreaking Star Trek wasn't on one of the big networks, but was syndicated as a new show for a number of years.

And TV was much more episodic. You had some serialized TV (well other than soap operas) but they tended to be dramas like ER. The first time Star Trek significantly experimented with serialized storytelling was the Xindi arc of Enterprise, toward the end of the Berman era. Nowadays episodic TV is more the exception. Everything seems serialized nowadays.

So TV was just a much different animal. I like both....episodic and serialized. I don't mind a continuous story but it's nice when they throw in an episode that sort of can stand on its own and only has loose links to the main storyline---sort of like taking a break. For Discovery I kind of saw the episode with Mudd (where he destroyed the ship over and over again--can't recall the name) as one of those breaks. Sure it has links to other episodes, but it can kind of stand on its own. It'd be nice if Picard did that, took an episode where they took a little break like that. It's harder to do with Discovery and Picard because they don't have 25+ episodes a season, but like horror movies where they throw in a bit of comic relief to relieve tension--it'd be nice if the newer shows threw one in now and again.

For Picard, maybe they can find a planet that needs some help or something, where they can solve a problem in 45 minutes before getting back to the main plot--that sort of thing.

Ok, I'm starting to ramble, but hopefully I got my point across--don't try to compare past Treks with new Trek--enjoy them all for the fun ride they each gave us--and be glad for the variety.

 

[Karellen]

The BermaTrek era actually saw the shows pumping out twenty-SIX episodes a season.

You did not just put "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" on the same level as "Threshold", "Alice" and "Spock's Brain". If you want to put a Deep Space Nine episode on the list, go with "Profit and Lace". Now there's a howler...

Let's not forget about DS9's godawful mirror universe episodes . I love DS9 and I've rewatched it many times but I always skip the MU episodes. I'm not a huge fan of it overall, but I think Disco is the only Trek so far that has watchable MU episodes.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Let's not forget about DS9's godawful mirror universe episodes . I love DS9 and I've rewatched it many times but I always skip the MU episodes. I'm not a huge fan of it overall, but I think Disco is the only Trek so far that has watchable MU episodes.

I don't know about that. The very first Mirror episode, The original series "Mirror, Mirror", is generally considered a classic. Or by "watchable", are referring to the set design or the effects?

DS9 would have been fine doing their Mirror universe episode if they had stopped at the very first. But then, they did to the Mirror universe what Voyager did to the Borg, overuse them until they lose their appeal. The fact that DS9 made their Mirror episodes increasingly silly over time didn't help things.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I really doubt that fans wanted to see things like the platform Sulu vs Ninjas fight,

Ninjas???? What movie did you watch?

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Unless, "guys with swords" equals "ninja" to you.
Aren't you a fan of First Contact, which includes
Machine Gun Picard

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Jean Luc McClane

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And the comedy stylings of Drunk Deanna

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Norman coordiate

 

[Lord Garth]

My favorite ridiculous moments of Ye Olde Trek.

1. A giant hand grabbing the Enterprise. --> "Who Mourns for Adonis?" (TOS)
2. Abraham Lincoln floating in space. --> "The Savage Curtain" (TOS)
3. A floating pick-up truck in space. --> "The '37s" (VOY)
4. "Woosh! I'm invisible!" --> "Past Tense, Part II" (DS9)
5. "Sub Rosa" (TNG)... Needs no explanation
6. "The Way to Eden" (TOS)... Also needs no explanation
7. "Spock's Brain" (TOS) ... You guessed it!
8. "SPOCK TWO!!!!!!" --> "The Infinite Vulcan" (TAS), I think...
9. "And have you noticed that your boobs have started to firm up?" --> Star Trek: Insurrection

And #10. The "best" for last... Alamarain!

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Obviously all the classics. How dare I like Discovery or Picard when staring directly at the face of such Star Trek giants? Spock Two especially.

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[fireproof78]

You forgot them meeting the literal devil.

 

[Lord Garth]

You forgot them meeting the literal devil.

"The Magicks of Megas-Tu" is legitimately actually my favorite episode of TAS.

 

[cooleddie74]

Posting an Allamaraine video means one thing: I'm punching in the launch codes and cleansing this thread. You have only yourselves to blame.

 

[DaveyNY]

Barely even halfway through. I think that's a new record for the "Not Real Trek" crowd that hates it yet insists upon talking about it.

It's not a new record, it's a very old record that's broken and has been revolving with the needle stuck on the same tune since about 1987.

The song hasn't changed, just the folks singing it the loudest have.
And some of them are so 'drunk on nostalgia elixir' that they can't even get the words right at times.

 

[Karellen]

I don't know about that. The very first Mirror episode, The original series "Mirror, Mirror", is generally considered a classic. Or by "watchable", are referring to the set design or the effects?

DS9 would have been fine doing their Mirror universe episode if they had stopped at the very first. But then, they did to the Mirror universe what Voyager did to the Borg, overuse them until they lose their appeal. The fact that DS9 made their Mirror episodes increasingly silly over time didn't help things.

The original TOS episode was meant as a one-off "what if" episode and as such I think you're right I shouldn't even compare it to the others.

What bothers me the most about DS9's MU is the fact that they treat it as a mimicry of TOS. A bad fan fiction mash up of DS9 characters doing an impression of TOS style MU line delivery. The problem is, overacting is pretty much a staple of all TOS episodes--it's part of its charm--so when TOS does "slightly more dramatic", as is the case with the MU scenario, it's off the charts. It doesn't feel out of place in TOS but it certainly feels like that in DS9. People don't seem out of character because they are the MU versions but because it feels like I'm watching a different show. Also the constant cheesy sexual innuendo is just groan-worthy .

While MU characters in Disco are also more dramatic, emperor Georgiou is really the only extreme scenery chewer, something that when limited to a single character like that can actually be fun. I hated Enterprise with a passion, so I don't have any complaints there as Enterprise's MU episodes did not harm my viewing experience of it in any way .

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Meh, kids these days with their epic story structures and fancy cuneiform. Back in my day real Star Trek was about mammoth hunters and could only be painted on cave walls! And with tested-and-true earth colors only, none of these demonic, gaudy plant- and snail-based blues and purples that fade from the rock in five years! It's not art, it's just mindless entertainment for the ignorant young'uns that don't even know how to make flint rock axes anymore!

Stone knives and bear skins are the only true Star Trek.

 

[Succubint]

I'm one of those weird Trek fans who thoroughly enjoyed DS9's 'Move Along Home' episode. It was fun. I tend to fast forward the Grand Nagus episodes, though.