No sense in being rude about it. I feel it is, by far, the weakest entry in the franchise. Just very little about it caught my attention.
Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek
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No sense in being rude about it. I feel it is, by far, the weakest entry in the franchise. Just very little about it caught my attention.
Not another
gEnEs ViSiOn
I'm convinced that everyone who tries to fly that flag don't actually know what this "vision" truly is, have their own interpretation, or use it as a mask to say, "ThIs StAr TrEk IsN't WhAt I WaNt!~~!@@#@!@!!!!"
They finally got your post-Nemesis/Voyager show and, of course they hate it.
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Just like a lot of other things in life. They buy into the myth instead of fact.
[Waits for "should've made Axanar instead" comment to have full set of fanwhinge]
Something I said in another thread was that a lot of people mistake Gene Roddenberry for Walt Disney. He did not set out to create clean wholesome fun for the whole family. He set out to create an intelligent, adult science fiction show that pushed boundaries wherever it could. He pushed the censors to the limit and even managed to sneak a thing or two by them.
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...and yet he still couldn't find where the landing party had been mysteriously transported to.
my opinion on Picard is, I gave it a shot and I threw out what I knew about Star Trek. I have enjoyed it for what its worth. I enjoy the characters of the TNG. Is it perfect Star Trek from that past? no. Will we ever get back to the days of Star Trek of the yesteryear? Nope those days are gone. I've been watching since my pop first showed me Star Trek in the '80s after watching TJ Hooker (lol). I loved it.
Picard is just the new direct we are heading in hollywood, a direction I am not that thrilled about, but it is what it is.
Final word, if you don't like something, move on and don't watch. I did that with Discovery. I gave it a few episodes, it didn't work for me, I moved on.
Picard is just the new direct we are heading in hollywood, a direction I am not that thrilled about, but it is what it is.
Final word, if you don't like something, move on and don't watch. I did that with Discovery. I gave it a few episodes, it didn't work for me, I moved on.
Curses! Voice text fail. Fixed.
I'm so sad I missed the (fun?) conversation last night.
I noticed the OP referenced his/her pedigree as a fan (I started watching when I was x age), and that is a common element of these "gatekeeper" style diatribes, along with the condescension and profanity.
However, it has no relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand. A fan who just started watching Star Trek yesterday, and a fan who saw the very first episode and has seen everything ever since have the same right to express an opinion, and the same right to have a say (financially) in the future of the franchise.
Star Trek has never been able to survive purely on the goodwill of its long time fans. Each iteration released after TOS has attracted new fans, and even TOS gained new fans (too young to have seen it when it originally debuted) when it was released in syndication.
When fans seek to define what the franchise "is", often without consideration of any evidence, they are attempting to cut off the very thing that has helped Trek become the cultural phenomenon it is today.
I do understand the desire for escapist television, to see a future portrayed where heroes are heroes, problems are solved in 42 minutes, the lights are bright, the people are fit, healthy, and good looking, where the music swells, and the bad guys can be turned with a properly good speech. There really is no such thing anymore, and perhaps when all those fans were clamoring for a return to the "Prime" timeline, THAT is what they wanted.
Perhaps someone, somewhere, will make such a show but for better or for worse fiction reflects the environment in which it is created. Star Trek began in the post-WWII era where American power and optimism was at a high, despite the turmoil of the civil rights era, Vietnam, etc. TNG began when American power was at its ascendancy, and the thing Americans had been told was a hindrance to world peace (Soviet style communism) was fading fast.
At that moment, it sure looked like there was a bright future just around the metaphorical corner.
Subsequent series were created during a more uncertain period, leading to today when what many of us thought was the gentle curve of goodness has been slashed apart by stone cold reality, particularly after 9/11 and the subsequent Iraq War.
We live in a dark/uncertain world, and our fiction reflects that reality. If a fan wants something better, wants a Star Trek that reflects their hope and optimism, that restores the vision of a inescapably bright future where conflicts are external not internal, then by all means - MAKE THAT SHOW. Fan films are still allowed, as long as you follow certain rules, OR MAKE SOMETHING NEW. Stop complaining and waiting to be hand fed a show that fits your personal and unique tastes and MAKE SOMETHING. Anything. Turn that frustration that you have harnessed for 1701 tweets, YouTube videos, and discussion board posts into a creative catalyst for something new.
You never know, we might just watch THAT show.
I noticed the OP referenced his/her pedigree as a fan (I started watching when I was x age), and that is a common element of these "gatekeeper" style diatribes, along with the condescension and profanity.
However, it has no relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand. A fan who just started watching Star Trek yesterday, and a fan who saw the very first episode and has seen everything ever since have the same right to express an opinion, and the same right to have a say (financially) in the future of the franchise.
Star Trek has never been able to survive purely on the goodwill of its long time fans. Each iteration released after TOS has attracted new fans, and even TOS gained new fans (too young to have seen it when it originally debuted) when it was released in syndication.
When fans seek to define what the franchise "is", often without consideration of any evidence, they are attempting to cut off the very thing that has helped Trek become the cultural phenomenon it is today.
I do understand the desire for escapist television, to see a future portrayed where heroes are heroes, problems are solved in 42 minutes, the lights are bright, the people are fit, healthy, and good looking, where the music swells, and the bad guys can be turned with a properly good speech. There really is no such thing anymore, and perhaps when all those fans were clamoring for a return to the "Prime" timeline, THAT is what they wanted.
Perhaps someone, somewhere, will make such a show but for better or for worse fiction reflects the environment in which it is created. Star Trek began in the post-WWII era where American power and optimism was at a high, despite the turmoil of the civil rights era, Vietnam, etc. TNG began when American power was at its ascendancy, and the thing Americans had been told was a hindrance to world peace (Soviet style communism) was fading fast.
At that moment, it sure looked like there was a bright future just around the metaphorical corner.
Subsequent series were created during a more uncertain period, leading to today when what many of us thought was the gentle curve of goodness has been slashed apart by stone cold reality, particularly after 9/11 and the subsequent Iraq War.
We live in a dark/uncertain world, and our fiction reflects that reality. If a fan wants something better, wants a Star Trek that reflects their hope and optimism, that restores the vision of a inescapably bright future where conflicts are external not internal, then by all means - MAKE THAT SHOW. Fan films are still allowed, as long as you follow certain rules, OR MAKE SOMETHING NEW. Stop complaining and waiting to be hand fed a show that fits your personal and unique tastes and MAKE SOMETHING. Anything. Turn that frustration that you have harnessed for 1701 tweets, YouTube videos, and discussion board posts into a creative catalyst for something new.
You never know, we might just watch THAT show.
Haha, that actually kinda is what I wanted! But not from Picard, I didn't expect it to be that kind of show. I kinda hoped Discovery would have been, but it wasn't. Maybe the potential Pike show could be a bit like that? One can hope...
Where is Voyager?I really have to update this...
Maybe Season 3? I doubt it, it looks like it will be set in a semi-dystopian future.
Delta quadrant.
But WHAT is Voyager? (Drax wants to know)
I haven't seen Picard or Discovery so I can't comment on what I haven't seen. I have a feeling that I would agree with many of your sentiments if I did watch it. I really haven't liked anything after DS9 ended so you aren't totally alone. I did like aspects of the JJ films but they don't interest me after a first viewing.
I think it's a mistake to say what is and isn't Star Trek just because it's an ineffective way to criticize what you dislike about the new shows and it's just going to start pointless arguments where people mis-characterize old Star Trek or outright dismiss it just to defend the new. Just my 2 cents.
TV is a good way to escape from everyday life at the end of the day. I'm at the point in my life where TV is getting on my last nerve and I'm getting sick of drama and conflict. People had issues with Roddenberry's rule of no conflict between characters and while I understand it's hard to write for, it forced writers to come up with creative ways to tell stories. What makes Star Trek different (and I've seen this opinion elsewhere) is it's optimism for the future and human condition. It's my opinion that Star Trek shouldn't change with the times and should continue in it's optimism. The optimism is what separated it from other shows. Picard is just alright for me so far. I haven't even watched the last episode yet but have completely spoiled myself by reading threads about it.
Oh I'd be interested in checking out this book.. I am having issues locating it on Amazon... weird.
Yeah. Is just that i got so annoyed when i watched the 1st scene of the last episode. I had seen Endgame from VOY last day and i was shocked when i saw that scene. I'm sorry if I ofended anyone and I'm happy to read your opinion. We are not alone, a lot of people thinks the same way.
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