Brian Brophy didn’t return?

[cooleddie74]

So did I.

I'm not 83.

 

[ITDUDE]

Really, I'm surprised that nobody addressed this issue in the episode 5 discussion thread.

I’m oversees and haven’t watched it yet. Oh trust me, I would have brought it up. When I’m back in couple days and will give a minus 1 demerit for recasting, I will definitely bring it up

 

[Nerys Myk]

So did I.

I'm not 83.

Not on the outside.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hell, on the inside I died 20 years ago.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Brophy was 29 when Measure of Man was filmed, but Maddox must have been older, since it's doubtful he was 5 years old in 2341.

The new Maddox, John Ales, is 10 years younger than Brophy, FWIW.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I’m oversees and haven’t watched it yet. Oh trust me, I would have brought it up. When I’m back in couple days and will give a minus 1 demerit for recasting, I will definitely bring it up

Spoiler

I was being extremely sarcastic there.

 

[cooleddie74]

Damn Temporal Cold War.

 

[Yistaan]

So Maddox's probably ancient we can at least conclude.

Add this to 80 year old Picard's antics at the synth attack, and someone in Starfleet Command is probably wishing the mandatory retirement age of 75 for human Starfleet officers from TAS was reinstated.

 

[cooleddie74]

Wasn't Ira Graves in "The Schizoid Man(TNG)" supposed to be over 100? He was a contemporary of Dr. Noonien Soong and, I believe, knew and worked with him so Graves must have been pushing 100 when he died. He didn't look 100.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The the new Maddox, John Ales, is 10 years younger than Brophy, FWIW.

I don't think they let gleams in their father's eye vet Academy applicants either.

 

[fireproof78]

So Maddox's probably ancient we can at least conclude.

Add this to 80 year old Picard's antics at the synth attack, and someone in Starfleet Command is probably wishing the mandatory retirement age of 75 for human Starfleet officers from TAS was reinstated.

That Dominon War and reserve action clause really impacted career length.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I was trying to be nice, but no you really don't. By what you wrote, you suggested that you have Guinan-like powers so that in the alternate universe where Brophy played the part, you'd have preferred he hadn't. Oh yeah? You would have seen the episode and been like, yeah, I'm totally glad they brought Maddox back, but, man, I would have cast John Ales in the part. That's why you're petty.

And you would have been remiss not to bring in him for an audition to see if he could have played it. It doesn't matter what or when his last part was. There are a world of reasons he might not be as active today, yet could have played the part.

What's the part she's playing? Why wouldn't you look at the original access? Are you suggesting that they recast the Bingloidi because older women can't be attractive and they should make that character 23 for 67 year old Frakes? Oh you're not? Then why not take a look at the original actress before you make any decisions?



Well fuck Frakes, Sirtis, and Spiner by your logic. The first two aren't in Starfleet shape (probably only saved in PIC by their characters being retired) and the third one looks nothing like how he did when his character died twenty years ago. They're just not camera ready. Frakes didn't even think he could act anymore. Oh you like them? Boo-hoo, kid. This is Hollywood, and they've got a story to tell, salaries they can cut, and sexier new actors they can cast. It's just a TV show, and these things happen. It's what's better for the story.


I think the reaction is more to trolls on the internet telling people what they should and shouldn't care about, when they themselves have their own personal cares and preferences, and being apologists for the status quo in Hollywood. It isn't rocket science to think, huh, maybe we should give first crack at the actor who played the part in a series that exists because actors came back to play the part.


Maybe Brophy didn't expect the call and isn't surprised, but that that's the convention here is disrespectful and stupid and everyone from the TNG regulars to some A-lister who knows the BS will tell you that.

And returns of oldies but goodies have increased since because of how well stuff like that worked.

You're taking this way too personally and making it personal. Not once in our debate have I resorted to calling you things like petty. Its about the post and not the poster. If you want to keep chimping out over this by all means do so, but I'm done here.

 

[Indysolo]

It would've been cool to get Brophy to reprise the role, but we don't know the reasoning behind the change.

Maybe he read the script.

 

[CaptainXaviOfEarth]

Maybe he read the script.

Or he did a screen test, it was pretty bad, so they recast him? I’m sure they have their reasons.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Truth to be told, he says that "Measure of a man" is his favorite role
http://tacit.caltech.edu/about/brian

He's just saying that because he's scared of us.

 

[Indysolo]

Or he did a screen test, it was pretty bad, so they recast him? I’m sure they have their reasons.

Wouldn't it be unusual to screen test an actor who originated a role on your nostalgia based TV series?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Wouldn't it be unusual to screen test an actor who originated a role on your nostalgia based TV series?

I'm pretty sure he didn't get a call, much less a script.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Speaking of which, we should note that Marvel recast Bruce Banner no less. Didn't hurt the Marvel movies one bit, artistically or commercially.

Bruce #1 thinks it did:

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[Arpy]

I'm assuming you're older than six.

Thanks.

Because I was a kid and hadn't seen enough movies or TV shows yet.

Which has no bearing on the merit of the convention? Lots of things change, and I hope this might too.

And I actually prefer Edward Norton's Bruce Banner to Mark Ruffalo's but I've never posted a thread saying that Mark ruined the character and violates canon.

I don’t think anyone is saying that it ruined the character or that it violates canon. I think they’re saying that it would have been nice to see the original actor, or at least give him a shot at the part, or rather at least not raise expectation for five episodes that we might see him again.

I get being upset about a recast. I don't get the assumption of ill intent.

I don’t think there’s any assumption of ill intent, just carelessness.

I prefer Brian Brophys who don't get recast.

Just wait until his state funeral you won’t be invited to.

So, yeah, recasting was practically the norm, not the exception, back in the day. Somehow we survived.

I feel like that’s different. If an actor doesn’t want to return or contract negotiations fall apart or whatever the case. And then too, you’re proportionately disappointed. I think people are more annoyed with the level they think other fans are annoyed than necessarily would disagree with them that, yeah, it would have been nice.

Or he did a screen test, it was pretty bad, so they recast him? I’m sure they have their reasons.

If that were the case, then them’s the breaks. The poster above says he was never approached. And I think that’s too bad. I think it would have been really kind of freaking cool to see his face again lo these decades later, and especially if he really knocked it out of the park, momentarily coming out of retirement.

 

[NCC-73515]

Irrelevant. Frakes, Sirtis and Spiner played their respective parts in over 170 hours of television and four films. I honestly would have cared if they’d recast Hugh as little as I did Maddox.

So what someone has or hasn't done in the last 10 years is not a good argument. That's what I wanted to point out

Are you serious? This isn't even remotely the same considering Frakes, Sirtis and Spiner played there roles in 170 episodes and 4 movies. Frakes has been directing films and television, Sirtis and Spiner have both had regular recurring and guest spot on tv series and engaged in voice acting. Del Arco had recurring roles on the Closer and Major Crimes and Nip/Tuck. They haven't been reduced to roles like 'extra' in the waterboy and 'crime scene photographer' in NCIS.

You may think directing theater productions is less relevant, but it is still the same kind of business.
As Jarvisimo wrote:

He is a distinguished arts, research and theatre professional - stop dissing him or saying he's not up to task. He's definitely still in the acting world - in fact, doing exactly what Avery Brooks did throughout DS9, namely teach and oversee drama....
I can't imagine he doesn't still act and oversee acting (honestly not too different from Frakes who doesn't "act" in the way we know anymore but is in the show). Though it would have only been a few days for Brophy, and Caltech would probably encourage a cameo in the show.
But I imagine they did reach out to him (like they did del Arco) and he probably said no; I think it would have been sad had they not done so.

Sadly, they didn't reach out. He didn't even know about it :/

Here's why nobody cares:
(Stolen from Gabe Koerner's Facebook)

Thanks! That's what I've been looking for when I read these accusations here.

I'm sure there were articles in the "trades" about this show being in the works. If Brophy had been at all interested in returning to Trek he would have had his agent (does he still have one?) looking into it. The fact that he was unaware of the character being used, according to a report on this BBS, tells me that it was not at all on his radar.
But hey, I've been wrong before.

He apparently contacted his manager after I asked him about it.

And maybe, just maybe, Brophy just doesn’t give a crap about Star Trek, and his role as Maddox was just something he auditioned for because he needed money at the time. So why would he reprise a role he probably doesn’t even remember anything about?

That's probably why he made his big Star Trek musical and reminds people that he was on the show, and is happy about fans approaching him about that role.

Ouch sounds like he'd love to come back if asked

He seemed disappointed they didn't even ask

Maybe he read the script.

Or he did a screen test, it was pretty bad, so they recast him? I’m sure they have their reasons.

No, he only heard from fans that Maddox is mentioned in the show