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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

That's the difference between TV censorship in the 60s and 80s and modern TV/streaming shows with MA ratings. "Damn, hell, dammit" were equivalent to "fuck, shit and fucking" back in the TOS years when it came to viewer outrage. Gene - ashtray-glasses aside - pushed hard to get those on air

Censorship or not, there's no way a 25th century Star Trek admirals would use words fucking when trying to make a point. Not unless they are written by a 21st century hack(s) who prefer modern trends.

JL doesn't seem the type, Raffi is more likely. Or Seven maybe. I look forward to it

JL? Really? That's how we refer to Picard now?
I look forward to Klutzman, Goldsman & Co. being fired one day. That'll be a good riddance.
 
There are some examples, but, like I said, those were always within parameters of the acceptable family-friendly show
And Picard is streaming TV-MA. Not meant to be the same animal.

The short version of this post: "I like Generations, so I'm moving the goalposts."
That, and trying to pass it off as something that people might not have noticed. It was a big, dramatic, action-pausing close-up on the cinema screen, originally heard via cinema speaker systems. If you didn't notice it, you were at the concession stand or in the restroom. And, as intended, it was a big audience reaction moment where I saw it.
 
There may be action, brainless action that is (skinhead Romulans with motorcycle helmets that aim worse than Stormtroopers launching their silly attacks), but there is zero social commentary. Where do you see any relevant social commentary? Potentially, yes. That's all it is - potentially. Sounds (and looks) like 0% Trek to me.
I see relevant character study. As I stated before Star Trek is both an action/adventure platform that has the potential for social commentary, which is why it was science fiction. But, it doesn't have to. Doesn't make it less "Star Trek." Star Trek isn't something that fits in to a narrow little box.
Pushing the envelope? That's not pushing the envelope, that's regressing to a state of brainless and primitive B-grade action show.
Nope. Not even close. Star Trek has used profanity and pushed it as censorship would allow. "Fuck" has been used by humanity since the 16th century. It appearing once or twice in Star Trek is hardly problematic.

IDIC and all that jazz.
 
Censorship or not, there's no way a 25th century Star Trek admirals would use words fucking when trying to make a point. Not unless they are written by a 21st century hack(s) who prefer modern trends.
fucking is not "modern". fucking is around since the early 16th century (the word, mind you, people obviously fucked before that time) if the word can survive 500 years, it will survive 500 more at least

JL? Really? That's how we refer to Picard now?
that's how I refer to JL now, since it's shorter to write on a message board than Picard
 
Do such words as $h#t appear in Shakespeare's works?
they do

In his time, religious and moral curses were more offensive than biological curses. Most all original (before being censored) Shakespearean works contain very offensive profanity, mostly religious, which is probably one of many reasons that his works were and are so popular. Shakespeare pushed a lot of buttons in his day- which is one reason he was so phenomenally popular.

In the play The Twelfth Night the character Malvolio speaks the line “these be her very c’s, her u’s, and her t’s, and thus she makes her great p’s” when speaking of a letter supposedly received from the Countess Olivia. The word 'and', between the ‘u’ and the ‘t,’ apparently representing the letter ‘n’ - spelling out the word, C, U, N…you get the picture.

Another reference to the C-word comes in Hamlet, of all places. In this play Hamlet speaks of “country matters” when trying to lay his head down in the lap of Ophelia. A clear pun on the word.

This rather risque passage comes from the play Cymbeline. It concerns the character Cloten who is trying to woo the character Imogen by having music played outside her bed-chamber:

Cloten. I would this Musick would come: I am advised to give her Musick a Mornings, they say it will penetrate.
Enter Musicians.
Come on, Tune; if you can penetrate her with your Fingering, so; we’ll try with Tongue too; if none will do, let her remain: but I’ll never give o’er.
 
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they do

In his time, religious and moral curses were more offensive than biological curses. Most all original (before being censored) Shakespearean works contain very offensive profanity, mostly religious, which is probably one of many reasons that his works were and are so popular. "Shakespeare pushed a lot of buttons in his day- which is one reason he was so phenomenally popular.

In the play The Twelfth Night the character Malvolio speaks the line “these be her very c’s, her u’s, and her t’s, and thus she makes her great p’s” when speaking of a letter supposedly received from the Countess Olivia. The word 'and', between the ‘u’ and the ‘t,’ apparently representing the letter ‘n’ - spelling out the word, C, U, N…you get the picture.

Another reference to the C-word comes in Hamlet, of all places. In this play Hamlet speaks of “country matters” when trying to lay his head down in the lap of Ophelia. A clear pun on the word.

This rather risque passage comes from the play Cymbeline. It concerns the character Cloten who is trying to woo the character Imogen by having music played outside her bed-chamber:

Cloten. I would this Musick would come: I am advised to give her Musick a Mornings, they say it will penetrate.
Enter Musicians.
Come on, Tune; if you can penetrate her with your Fingering, so; we’ll try with Tongue too; if none will do, let her remain: but I’ll never give o’er.
Bringin' the facts! :techman:
 
Do such words as $h#t appear in Shakespeare's works?
Star Trek is not Shakespeare. People went to see Shakespeare because his work and speech was unlike what was used in modern, every day, speech. It was not a reflect of actual human interaction.

I would surmise that it is an apparent attempt to prove that being "Holier Than Thou" is somehow able to place them above everyone else who has no problem with swearing in Star Trek.
It's so I can be a saint in Star Trek Church ;)
 
Actually, for his time, Shakespeare was very much into using the common everyday language that people watching his works could relate to.
It just that what passed as public swearing then, is considered extremely tame by today's standards.
 
Nope. Not even close. Star Trek has used profanity and pushed it as censorship would allow. "Fuck" has been used by humanity since the 16th century. It appearing once or twice in Star Trek is hardly problematic.

IDIC and all that jazz.

You guys here are hilarious. You'd even attempt to sell me shit as a cake. I find it even impressive to what lengths some will go to make excuses for some of the most miserable verbal befoulment. Incredible. There's no excuse. It's shitty writing by hacks who pretend they know something about Star Trek or its vision of the future. Actually, there is no vision. This thing is anti-Trek as anti-Trek can be. Foul language is only a portion of it.
 
Actually, for his time, Shakespeare was very much into using the common everyday language that people watching his works could relate to.
It just that what passed as public swearing then, is considered extremely tame by today's standards.

Give me an example of that "tame language", please.
 
You guys here are hilarious. You'd even attempt to sell me shit as a cake. I find it even impressive to what lengths some will go to make excuses for some of the most miserable verbal befoulment. Incredible. There's no excuse. It's shitty writing by hacks who pretend they know something about Star Trek or its vision of the future. Actually, there is no vision. This thing is anti-Trek as anti-Trek can be. Foul language is only a portion of it.
Sorry, that is incorrect. I simply observe what Trek has done in the past. Guess what? It's no different than now, just that society has change. Trek, as art, has changed along with it.

Not everyone will like it and that's fine. Not every iteration of Trek is for everyone. But, that doesn't make it less "Star Trek." It makes it another point of view, which is to be respected as part of diversity. That's what Trek was about, among other things.
 
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