6. "To Serve Man" is a cook book.
Let's speculate on the deep, dark secret
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This is along the same lines as what I was hypothesizing as well.
The Borg went back in time in First Contact, so they have the capability. My completely unfounded speculation: I think Soji starts to feel alienated when she realizes she's a synth, and in her confusion and anger starts to cause havoc on the cube, reactivating long dormant parts of it. This triggers some sort of temporal event. Picard convinces her to stop what she's doing at the last minute, but can't prevent the cube itself from going back in time. The borg on the cube are consequently separated from their 'queen' (in their view, a perfect bio/techno hybrid) and thus begin their quest to assimilate until they can attain perfection once again.
The only problem is that the Zhat Vash would also require foreknowledge as well. I would guess that the Zhat Vash have their origins in the Romulans that were also thrown back in time on the cube?
My theory was
Basically the Romulans and Zhat Vash are right and not the bad guys. They are trying to prevent a future theyve seen via some time incursion they've experienced. The 'skin jobs' did the Mars Attack to hamper the exodus on Romulus and may actually have caused the supernova. They are also the reason the Romulans dropped off the political landscape for 50 years (See last ep of S1 TNG). The Romulans sabotaged The Artifact via letting Roms get assimilated. They did this to draw out some ;skin jobs' who would investigate.
However the events of the last ep would seem to squelch the idea that there is an entire race of Skin Jobs who are mprtal enemies of the Romulans.
Basically the Romulans and Zhat Vash are right and not the bad guys. They are trying to prevent a future theyve seen via some time incursion they've experienced. The 'skin jobs' did the Mars Attack to hamper the exodus on Romulus and may actually have caused the supernova. They are also the reason the Romulans dropped off the political landscape for 50 years (See last ep of S1 TNG). The Romulans sabotaged The Artifact via letting Roms get assimilated. They did this to draw out some ;skin jobs' who would investigate.
However the events of the last ep would seem to squelch the idea that there is an entire race of Skin Jobs who are mprtal enemies of the Romulans.
Maybe. But I am as convinced as I can be that this is a story about the origins of the Romulans and not the origin of the Borg, a subject that I do not think will even be touched upon. The Borg are important to the story, but their origins are not part of it.
The Romulan scholar has discovered that Romulan mythological stories of their own origins contain the real truth about how THEY (not Borg) originally came about.
The Romulan scholar has discovered that Romulan mythological stories of their own origins contain the real truth about how THEY (not Borg) originally came about.
Yes, yes it would. Stories that ripple through multiple series would be awesome.
Picard being the start of the fall of the Federation would be awful for two very important reasons.
1. For a lot of people, it would destroy any sense of agency within Picard. Any attempts by Jean-Luc to right the Federation would be ultimately futile at stopping the inevitable decline, even for a short period of time.
2. If the "good period" of the Federation only lasted like 200 years, and it was followed by another 800 or so years of dystopia and decline - why would anyone remember the Federation fondly? It should be barely remembered at all to be honest.
I think we can conclude the secret does not relate to the past, or at least primarily to the past. Why would Jurati kill Maddox over the fact that (say) modern Vulcans descend from replicants created by the Romulans thousands of years ago? How could she possibly have anything to atone for?
The secret must relate more substantially to the present and recent past (perhaps including the attack on Mars, even the Romulan supernova) and to the future. Even then, I think the future more likely. Why would Jurati kill Maddox if he did something bad in 2385?
The secret must relate more substantially to the present and recent past (perhaps including the attack on Mars, even the Romulan supernova) and to the future. Even then, I think the future more likely. Why would Jurati kill Maddox if he did something bad in 2385?
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So the thing so terrible that it will break a person's mind... is Disco season three?
That's not encouraging.
Yet strangely, it works better than any theory I've seen so far.So the thing so terrible that it will break a person's mind... is Disco season three?
That's not encouraging.
I like parts of it. But think its too clever to be true.
There's too much prophecy-mystery box-great destroyer stuff going on. When all the pieces fall together i suspect we'll look back and go "Wahhhhh???" There's also just not enough time left in this series. And we strill have to get to Riker and Troi and have sit around time!!
I think the Romulans being synths created by the Vulcans is part of the story that helps explain it, but clearly the modern secret, related to Jurati's actions is to do with the Federation Synths, the synth attack on Mars and the Romulan supernova. She must have come to believe, or been made to believe, that Maddox is responsible for all that or for some of it. At the very least the synth attack. I suspect he was a dupe and fall guy for the actions of others. Allowing his obsession with bringing the synths to life to blind him to those who had other agendas.
I'm not sure about the Romulans alone being synths being a big thing. Why would anyone in the Federation care particularly about the fact that their long-time enemy and neighbour is of artificial origin? Now, if Vulcans _and_ Romulans were of artificial background, or of mixed natural and artificial background, that could do it.
agreed. Romulans being artificial is not the kind of secret that would bring Jurati to kill the cookie monster
Yep! This was pretty much my idea I posted a while back too. It seems more likely the more we’ve seen of the show. I mean, how ironic would it be that Data, who we all know and love, is actually the origin of the Borg, the most famous, and feared, Trek villains?
I've presumed up until now that Agnes killed Maddox for his ability to create biological androids.
I've also assumed the actions of the Zhat Vash in the present are to prevent a reoccurrence of what happened - or at least came close to happening - thousands of years ago. You don't create a super secretive cabal with it's core tenet being a hatred of artificial life without cause or precedence.
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the founder of the Zhat Vash was beaten in Pong, hence the hatred towards AI
They were fooled by a chatbot into thinking they had actually met that special someone and when no one came to the date they had scheduled, they swore eternal revenge on all AI.
