Non sequiter I'm afraid.
Even if we take the simplistic view that one was indeed traded for the other there's no leap to any unanimous conclusions about the performers.
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Non sequiter I'm afraid.
Even if we take the simplistic view that one was indeed traded for the other there's no leap to any unanimous conclusions about the performers.
I believe Lien got dealt a bad hand, though Jeri Ryan was much more of a screen presence. All from my point-of-view.
Undeniably, but she was supposed to be. Lien was playing a much less dominant character and would have been failing in her job had she made the character something other than the one intended.
Good acting isn't about screen presence, it's about becoming the part convincingly.
Unless the poster is using some other metric of "impressive".
Yep. Jeri Ryan had a much stronger presence on the show and provided some much needed disruption to a set of characters that ought to have had more tension between them in the first place.
The fact is when Kes left and Seven came in the ratings went up dramatically because there was a BORG crew woman who’s stories were far superior to Kes’s. Fans reacted to that and tuned in. Kes’s character was too small but Sevens was big, the possibility of exploring Borg culture was a real possibility now.
There might have been a momentary bump, but Star Trek ratings went down, down, down after the end of TNG. Including Voyager. Someone around here actually has a Neilsen chart... is that you, @Serveaux?
The ratings temporarily went up when Seven joined.
And then they went down like a piece of lead to a lower level than seasons 1-3.
Without getting rid of Kes the ratings would have tanked sooner and we might not of had season 7 which had some great episodes!The ratings temporarily went up when Seven joined.
And then they went down like a piece of lead to a lower level than seasons 1-3.
It was on UPN, it wasn't going anywhere.
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Well, not in 1997 or 1998. By the time Les Moonves was running the show and tweaking the network's programming to reach newer and younger audiences in 2004 even a Star Trek series wasn't safe to go beyond a fourth season. Voyager was lucky to air when it did and not post-2001.
It wasn't just UPN at that point, IIRC, they were in the middle of merging with the whatever the WB equivalent was at the time.
Yeah, the entire Paramount/Viacom establishment was veering away from televised Trek at that point and the box office performance of NEM didn't help the franchise.
Given that the same downward trend in the ratings was evidenced for both DS9 and ENT, that's improbable. The general downward trend was not primarily because of Kes, Seven, or any particular character more (or less) than any other. It was "institutional," at least among all of the post-TNG Berman-era Trek shows.
Here's the entire data that was (perhaps) requested by @BillJ upthread.
http://www.madmind.de/2009/05/02/all-star-trek-movies-and-episodes-in-two-charts/
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I could have lived with that.
In fact, I was so angry after a certain episode in season 6 that I quit watching so I haven't even seen season 7 yet, except for "Endgame" which I did find horrible.
Not to mention that I don't think that they would have cancelled the show anyway. And if they really had to bring in Seven (which I doubt was necessary), they could still have kept Kes.
Indeed. I've always thought there was a gold mine of material to explore in a Kes / Seven (eventual) friendship. Shame it didn't happen.
Chuckles was the one who should have been punted, IMO.
If Kes had stayed... Would she had wound up with Chakotay in Endgame?
Unlikely.
Given Robert Beltran's obvious disdain for the role, I wonder why he didn't just quit...
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