Would Riker get away with calling Picard "JL"?

[Vger23]

Exactly.

Why, if you don't believe Riker could get away with it, would you ever Raffi could get away with it?

What's even odder, is the chorus of voices on this forum that are not only defending this writing decision, but attacking those who point out the absurdity.

It all goes back to the "10/10, shut up troll" mentality that has become pervasive in greater nerd culture. If anything is attached to your favorite property, we no longer use the scale of 1 - 10; we use 10 - 11.

The most boring, pedantic drivel you can find on TV will be given a "10/10" by fanboys as long as it features the character(s) they are invested in emotionally; and anybody who offers any form of criticism will be designated as a "troll" or "bot" to invalidate said criticism.

I like Picard so far. I think it has potential and that the second half is set up to be very good. That being said, the show has flaws. Many of those flaws are in the writing, and pointing that out does not make you the devil.

Everything you like is not a 10/10, and everything you dislike is not a 0/10. Just stop it.

Nobody is defending it for such reasons, and it's fairly tone-deaf and absolute for you to assume what you've stated here about people who are on the other side of your position. They're defending it because they think it was a GOOD writing choice, falls into the bucket of "show us don't tell us" regarding their relationship, and isn't "out of character" because people change based on acquiring wisdom, perspective, and experience. And it's not a "chorus of voices"...that's a load of crap. It's a majority bunch of passionate fans who feel a certain way that isn't aligned with you. That doesn't make it a robotic echo chamber.

Also, because it really isn't that big a deal.

Nobody said anyone was the devil. And people who are arguing the point aren't in the 10/10 crowd. It's a disagreement that happens to have a strong case in favor of those sho support it. But that's no reason to start rationalizing in order to diminish the validity of the argument you don't agree with.

Like I said, it hardly even matters.

 

[saladdays]

What's even odder, is the chorus of voices on this forum that are not only defending this writing decision, but attacking those who point out the absurdity.

Disagreements = attacks?

If that's the case, one could argue that your statement here is an "attack."

 

[DaveyNY]

Is it weird that some are wholeheartedly condemning this particular tiny aspect of the show, when the Actor who obviously knows the Picard Character best is apparently OK with it?

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[Yistaan]

Exactly.

Why, if you don't believe Riker could get away with it, would you ever Raffi could get away with it?

What's even odder, is the chorus of voices on this forum that are not only defending this writing decision, but attacking those who point out the absurdity.

It all goes back to the "10/10, shut up troll" mentality that has become pervasive in greater nerd culture. If anything is attached to your favorite property, we no longer use the scale of 1 - 10; we use 10 - 11.

The most boring, pedantic drivel you can find on TV will be given a "10/10" by fanboys as long as it features the character(s) they are invested in emotionally; and anybody who offers any form of criticism will be designated as a "troll" or "bot" to invalidate said criticism.

I like Picard so far. I think it has potential and that the second half is set up to be very good. That being said, the show has flaws. Many of those flaws are in the writing, and pointing that out does not make you the devil.

Everything you like is not a 10/10, and everything you dislike is not a 0/10. Just stop it.

Um, I'm not the one who called you idiot/troll, I would never do that to anyone. That was another poster, I remember seeing that post you are referring to who called you that... I think you mixed me up with someone else.

EDIT: Never mind, on second read I think I'm the one who misunderstood your post. It was rather long, sorry.

There is so much going on in these scant few sentences...

I mean unless you want me to start writing out personal details and stuff, there isn't much more than what I said...

I once had **** congress with a man with 40 minutes of meeting him - what is your point caller?

???
I really hope kids aren't reading these forums....

 

[Yistaan]

sorry double post

 

[fireproof78]

Right. You know why it's not a big deal? Because it's not a big deal. Next.

It's not even a small deal.

Why, if you don't believe Riker could get away with it, would you ever Raffi could get away with it?

Because Riker isn't Raffi. Different people interact with each other different ways at different stages of life.

Disagreements = attacks?

If that's the case, one could argue that your statement here is an "attack."

Heh. This forum is an open war then

 

[BillJ]

I really hope kids aren't reading these forums....

Why?

 

[fireproof78]

I really hope kids aren't reading these forums....

Nobody cares. Sex is a part of life and there is no need to be reticent about its mention on a forum that requires having an email anyway. Besides, most teens I work with as clients know way more about sex than I ever did at that age (even now at 35).

Speaking of non issues.

 

[Vger23]

I'm going out on a limb to make a bold prediction here:

Despite the fact that Raffi apparently is allowed to call Picard "JL," everything is going to be ok. The sun will come up tomorrow, the atmosphere will still contain oxygen and nitrogen, and everyone's memories of how Picard was 20 years ago will still be intact and valid.

It's going to be ok.

You heard it here first.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm going out on a limb to make a bold prediction here:

Despite the fact that Raffi apparently is allowed to call Picard "JL," everything is going to be ok. The sun will come up tomorrow, the atmosphere will still contain oxygen and nitrogen, and everyone's memories of how Picard was 20 years ago will still be intact and valid.

It's going to be ok.

You heard it here first.

Heresy!

 

[Vger23]

Heresy!

I admitted up front I was making a bold prediction!!

 

[BorgTheory]

I think it was racism for Raffi to call Picard JL, but Picard was so nice he let her do it as he knew he was the only thing blocking Starfleet from firing the degenerate. Evidence is how after he was fired, he ignored her for years.
Raffi never saw how protected she was by Picard. I don’t trust her on their little journey.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm going out on a limb to make a bold prediction here:

Despite the fact that Raffi apparently is allowed to call Picard "JL," everything is going to be ok. The sun will come up tomorrow, the atmosphere will still contain oxygen and nitrogen, and everyone's memories of how Picard was 20 years ago will still be intact and valid.

It's going to be ok.

You heard it here first.

I personally think it's a sign Picard just doesn't care much anymore. He enforced decorum etc. and what did it get him? 2 destroyed ships, and many painful memories. And even when he enforced decorum, Shelby and Riker for example found ways to work around it and engage in fighting. Which led to his assimilation and the death of thousands at Wolf 359, and likely people like Sisko blaming him for the sloppy management that led up to that disaster. So what difference did it make?

In the comic Picard responds to Raffi saying "I know you like me calling you JL" with one word: "Debatable." I think that's pretty much it. But he can't be bothered to order her to do otherwise anymore, it seems so meaningless compared to the problems at hand.

My point with my real life example is that 4 years isn't automatically a "friend earn" just due to time working together. Picard himself took 7 years to play poker with his crew. That's why Raffi is so jarring.

 

[BillJ]

I think it was racism for Raffi to call Picard JL, but Picard was so nice he let her do it as he knew he was the only thing blocking Starfleet from firing the degenerate. Evidence is how after he was fired, he ignored her for years.
Raffi never saw how protected she was by Picard. I don’t trust her on their little journey.

See, I'm going to predict the future here... I don't think you're going to be here very long.

 

[Vger23]

I have to admit there's more than a little bias at work here in my acceptance of the whole thing. Back when I was a kid and watching the original TNG show in first run, my dad used to mockingly refer to Picard as "JL" when he thought he was being wound up too tight about something or other.

My dad was always a Kirk guy.

 

[BillJ]

I have to admit there's more than a little bias at work here in my acceptance of the whole thing. Back when I was a kid and watching the original TNG show in first run, my dad used to mockingly refer to Picard as "JL" when he thought he was being wound up too tight about something or other.

My dad was always a Kirk guy.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around what the big deal is here? Her calling Picard "JL" doesn't really conflict with anything else in Trek.

 

[DaveyNY]

See, I'm going to predict the future here... I don't think you're going to be here very long.

Pushing Boundaries seems to be a popular Millennial thing.

 

[Vger23]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around what the big deal is here? Her calling Picard "JL" doesn't really conflict with anything else in Trek.

There are seemingly greater issues that someone could latch onto. That much is certain.

 

[Vger23]

Pushing Boundaries seems to be a popular Millennial thing.

 

[BillJ]

There are seemingly greater issues that someone could latch onto. That much is certain.

We all have hills we'll die on, but this one doesn't much make sense. She calls him JL, once, in private while he's an Admiral that we see. Regardless of what the comic or novel says, from a canon standpoint it could be the only time she ever references to him in that manner. It was at a time when a lot was going on, and she might have thought to talk to him as a friend instead of a subordinate.