Would Riker get away with calling Picard "JL"?

[Hythlodeus]

TLDR

Wonder what Jack Crusher called Picard?

Hansl

 

[Search4]

River Song? River Tam?

Damn autocorrect. River Riker.

 

[DarthPipes]

I'll amend my original statement. Picard would not tolerate a subordinate calling him "JL" while they were still in Starfleet together. I'll stand by my statement that constantly calling him "JL" is annoying and forced.

 

[Kzinti]

at the beginning of TNG no at the end of TNG yes

 

[fireproof78]

Beverly is not the type to call him "JL". Raffi is.

What is so hard to grasp about different people treating each other differently, especially when they've met and worked together under different circumstances? There's a certain ... irreverence in the nickname "JL". But instead of recognizing that and then extrapolating information about Raffi's character and her relationship with Picard from it we get complaints that entirely different characters didn't do it. "But Riker did it this way, so why is someone else doing it differently!" is backwards logic, when it should be "Riker did it this way, but Raffi does it this way - so what does that mean?".

Maybe Raffi has a problem with authority. Maybe they started out overly stiff and formal because of it. Maybe Raffi is a habitual nicknamer, and Picard took her starting to call him "JL" as a victory because it meant she started to trust him as a superior officer. There's plenty of possible scenarios where him allowing her to affectionately nickname him would make perfect sense. And they all hinge on him being a good leader and changing his approach according to who he's with and under which circumstances.

Or maybe old "Johnny" Picard has simply mellowed out in his old age.

Exactly on multiple points.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'll amend my original statement. Picard would not tolerate a subordinate calling him "JL" while they were still in Starfleet together. I'll stand by my statement that constantly calling him "JL" is annoying and forced.

No more than “Bones” or “Scotty”

 

[ITDUDE]

 

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[Hythlodeus]

Riker never tried, so we will never know.

 

[fireproof78]

Riker never tried, so we will never know.

I wonder if Riker resented a dog being named after him.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I wonder if Riker resented a dog being named after him.

Riker! What about poor Marissa Flores? (Crap! Someone will now invent a reason to bring back another character.)

 

[BorgTheory]

No, the relationship was different because Riker was male.

 

[fireproof78]

Riker! What about poor Marissa Flores? (Crap! Someone will now invent a reason to bring back another character.)

Now there's a character who would be a deep pull.

 

[Zenogias]

This is an interesting question, because easily the most jarring aspect of "Picard" writing is this whole "JL" business.

My wife and I were taken aback when we watched the episode where it started, and continued.. Each time we heard it, involuntary and audible groans could be heard throughout the house. It's not only cringe, but the icing on top of the cringe cake is that the person calling him that is a new character that has no established relationship with Picard prior to this new series.

This brings us back to your question, would Riker get away with it. I think the answer is No. This is because in the TNG canonical writing style previous to "Picard", a situation like this would have been treated like either..

A: Crew member gets to familiar, thinks Captain is best friend, and Picard sets them straight.
B: Senior Staff / friend says it as a joke, and gets Picard to crack a small smile at the absurdity.

I like the Raffi character, but I think this is one of the examples of what holds back "Picard" from being a better show.. On the macro level, the writing is good so far.. On the micro level, you have these odd choices.. Like this one.. That totally pull you out of the show.. Almost like when you are dreaming, and something happens that alerts you to the fact that you are in a dream, and you instantly wake up.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

but the icing on top of the cringe cake is that the person calling him that is a new character that has no established relationship with Picard prior to this new series.

This brings us back to your question, would Riker get away with it. I think the answer is No. This is because in the TNG canonical writing style previous to "Picard", a situation like this would have been treated like either..

A: Crew member gets to familiar, thinks Captain is best friend, and Picard sets them straight.
B: Senior Staff / friend says it as a joke, and gets Picard to crack a small smile at the absurdity.

I like the Raffi character, but I think this is one of the examples of what holds back "Picard" from being a better show.. On the macro level, the writing is good so far.. On the micro level, you have these odd choices.. Like this one.. That totally pull you out of the show.. Almost like when you are dreaming, and something happens that alerts you to the fact that you are in a dream, and you instantly wake up.

That logic is bizarre. In episode 1 of TNG, I didn't get upset with Deanna for addressing Riker as Will - or Bill. And vice versa for Riker's pet names for her. These things are written in to establish that a prior history did exist for these characters, and we didn't need to have every moment of that history viewed for it to be conceivable and believable. Nor was it necessary to see the prior years of relationship between Beverly and Picard for her to be able to call him Jean-Luc. Having that perspective on it might help, even if it's not your exact preference.

 

[BillJ]

That logic is bizarre. In episode 1 of TNG, I didn't get upset with Deanna for addressing Riker as Will - or Bill. And vice versa for Riker's pet names for her. These things are written in to establish that a prior history did exist for these characters, and we didn't need to have every moment of that history viewed for it to be conceivable and believable. Nor was it necessary to see the prior years of relationship between Beverly and Picard for her to be able to call him Jean-Luc. Having that perspective on it might help, even if it's not your exact preference.

Spock calls Kirk, "Jim" in "Where No Man Has Gone Before".

 

[fireproof78]

is that the person calling him that is a new character that has no established relationship with Picard prior to this new series.

That's not the point. It's been 20 years and Picard would have new relationships.

 

[The Wormhole]

Wonder what Jack Crusher called Picard?

Homewrecker

 

[Longinus]

This is an interesting question, because easily the most jarring aspect of "Picard" writing is this whole "JL" business.

If that is the case then it is a great indicator that writers are doing hella good job!

 

[Bad Thoughts]

TNG canonical writing style

What? Will we really be this pedantic to insist that episodes are always written with the same language, from thirty years ago into the distant future?