I'm liking the show so far but...

[Longinus]

But the themes are more DS9-like, which is what's causing a lot of the whining. DS9 was willing to question Federation culture, both in its stability and even its actual righteousness, in a way that TNG just wasn't.

However, the huge difference for me is that in Picard it is the institutions instead of the main character for whom we're supposed to rooting for that lets Romulans die because it is more convenient. In Picard such thing if framed as reprehensible, in DS9 we're supposed to be able to live with it.

 

[XCV330]

DS9 is simply more "inside baseball" than TNG.

Did someone say baseball?

 

[Longinus]

DS9 is simply more "inside baseball" than TNG.

Nah, it is just more dreary and kinda boring. And I never cared for baseball.

 

[Crazyewok]

there are a few things that are bothering me, and apologies in advance if these topics have been covered elsewhere. For one thing the show seems to be acknowledging and ignoring Trek cannon at the same time. Mentions of Q, irumodic syndrome, Maddox, arbitar of succesion are awesome but in the same breath they use money now? A Federation that abandons an entire species? A species that was a crucial ally not 25 plus years earlier in a galactic war and who aided the Enterprise in saving the Earth from a rogue Romulan? I know changes are made for entertainment value but the Federation not helping a race on the verge of being wiped out just doesn't mesh with the Roddenberry vision. I'm hoping we get more of an explanation to this changed philosophy as the show goes on because overall I do like it.

Roddenberry vision

Roddenberry's "vision" was one MONEY, gets lots and lots of money, and also sexually harass women.

 

[Crazyewok]

Y. Hell the Klingons have always been the bigger threat and enemy yet in Trek 6 when they were facing similar circumstances the Fed was there to help

Barely

 

[SJGardner]

Hell the Klingons have always been the bigger threat and enemy yet in Trek 6 when they were facing similar circumstances the Fed was there to help

Barely

For the Klingons, it was the explosion of Praxis that caused widespread environmental distruption on Qo'noS. The point is, the Klingon homeworld could be saved. Romulus could only be evacuated before the supernova swept the entire system away. Superficially similar but totally different scenarios, even without that whole unpleasantness with Cartwright and Chang.

 

[Hythlodeus]

DS9 is simply more "inside baseball" than TNG.

Nah, it is just more dreary and kinda boring. .

Baseball IS dreary and boring.

 

[Lord Garth]

Speaking as someone who records sports, my favorite one to do is ice hockey. They play rough, fights break out all the time, parents yell at the refs. You name it, they've got it.

 

[XCV330]

Was Enterprise inside water polo?

 

[Hythlodeus]

Was Enterprise inside water polo?

Inside Snooker without the fashion sense

 

[Alan Roi]

Speaking as someone who records sports, my favorite one to do is ice hockey. They play rough, fights break out all the time, parents yell at the refs. You name it, they've got it.

It's so Canadian.

 

[Alan Roi]

Was Enterprise inside water polo?

There'd be more ripped uniforms and people gasping for air if it was.

 

[XCV330]

There'd be more ripped uniforms and people gasping for air if it was.

for all Archers' talk of water polo, I mostly remember the basketball game aboard NX-01

 

[Alan Roi]

I think Star Trek:Picard's go-to sport should be curling.

 

[saladdays]

I think Star Trek:Picard's go-to sport should be curling.

It probably would end up as fencing or something.

 

[fireproof78]

in DS9 we're supposed to be able to live with it.

I never got the impression they could live with it, nor was that what I took away from the series.

 

[Longinus]

I never got the impression they could live with it, nor was that what I took away from the series.

He was shaken at the end of the episode, then he was fine in the next one, and there was no blowback from the murder conspiracy emotional or otherwise. So I guess the message was that murder conspiracies are fine and dandy and totally will get the job done. Not exactly a moral I am hoping to see in a Star Trek show.

 

[Gilora]

I never got the impression they could live with it, nor was that what I took away from the series.

WHOOSH!

 

[Alan Roi]

He was shaken at the end of the episode, then he was fine in the next one, and there was no blowback from the murder conspiracy emotional or otherwise. So I guess the message was that murder conspiracies are fine and dandy and totally will get the job done. Not exactly a moral I am hoping to see in a Star Trek show.

The franchise has a long and storied history of ugly compromises being considered acceptable when the going gets tough. It's not all been 'platitudes will always save the day'.

 

[fireproof78]

He was shaken at the end of the episode, then he was fine in the next one, and there was no blowback from the murder conspiracy emotional or otherwise. So I guess the message was that murder conspiracies are fine and dandy and totally will get the job done. Not exactly a moral I am hoping to see in a Star Trek show.

Ok...not what I took away but that's fair.

WHOOSH!

And, no.