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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

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I wonder if Picard's deaging the prologue was CG or makeup
I saw the clip of Stewart on the View when he invited Whoopi Goldberg to appear in STP for season 2 -- a very sweet scene, BTW. There he looks a tiny bit more lined than in the Raffi scene, but far less jowly and dissipated than 94-year-old Picard.

Conclusion: they are aging Stewart up 20 years for the role using make-up and it's CGI for the "younger" Picard.
 
I suspect she probably never used it.
If Dahj never used her own replicator, she'd have known she wasn't human - which isn't the case. Dahj 100% believed she was a normal human girl, which means she used her replicator for her daily meals, just like everyone else. She just didn't programme much variety into the menu.
 
For all we know, she stuck her toe in the wall socket every night for recharging, and was simply oblivious to this, being programmed to be. Depends a bit on what the relationship with her supposed boyfriend was like.

Timo Saloniemi
 
If Dahj never used her own replicator, she'd have known she wasn't human - which isn't the case. Dahj 100% believed she was a normal human girl, which means she used her replicator for her daily meals, just like everyone else. She just didn't programme much variety into the menu.

I’m not saying she didn’t think she had been using it.
 
For all we know, she stuck her toe in the wall socket every night for recharging, and was simply oblivious to this, being programmed to be. Depends a bit on what the relationship with her supposed boyfriend was like.

Timo Saloniemi
She could've also been more similar to the Soong-type 'mainline' than we think. Data did say in Insurrection that his power cells were constantly self-recharging. She might have just been programmed to sleep every night without ever requiring it. I also think her biological components (I'm using that word because I still think she and Soji aren't 100% biotech; there might be some circuitry, software and ceramic-reinforced endoskeleton involved) did need food; Borg drones are, as far as I know, sustained by the regeneration alcoves for both of their cybernetic and biological parts, but if Dahj and Soji were designed to be as human-like as possible, that option was probably not available for them.

Of course I'd find it hilarious if Soji had been 'eating' lunch from a wall socket as far as she could remember and just kind of assumed everyone did that.
 
She could've also been more similar to the Soong-type 'mainline' than we think. Data did say in Insurrection that his power cells were constantly self-recharging. She might have just been programmed to sleep every night without ever requiring it. I also think her biological components (I'm using that word because I still think she and Soji aren't 100% biotech; there might be some circuitry, software and ceramic-reinforced endoskeleton involved) did need food; Borg drones are, as far as I know, sustained by the regeneration alcoves for both of their cybernetic and biological parts, but if Dahj and Soji were designed to be as human-like as possible, that option was probably not available for them.

Of course I'd find it hilarious if Soji had been 'eating' lunch from a wall socket as far as she could remember and just kind of assumed everyone did that.

The question is, does she remember piano lessons? And were they hers?
 
Well that certainly was 740 words...............
Quite a head for numbers you've got there. Do they call you "The Count?" :rommie:

is there a one paragraph version of this, so I can follow the discussion
Sure!
"Pro tip?" :rommie: Well, after a strong start, Picard has given us a second week of decline. Hopefully now that the three-part pilot is over (if this was true), we'll start to see some more interesting developments and course corrections. This initial quest for Freecloud seems a little intriguing, anyway. But our two new supporting characters are a little painful. Somebody needs to remind the creators that they are writing in the Star Trek universe. How can somebody in the 24th century, a former Starfleet officer, end up living in a trailer, drinking and vaping and snarking Millennial slang? And complaining about Picard's nice house. Are we going to be subjected to Picard accused of being a one-percenter? :rommie: Unless this turns out to be some form of extended self abuse-- it was implied that Starfleet discharged Raffi for being Picard's XO, but I'll bet she was offered the Enterprise and also resigned. At least that would salvage this scenario somewhat. And then we have Han Solo Junior. Once again, in an allegedly moneyless society, we have someone who will do anything for the right paycheck. Perhaps a little more justifiable in his case, since he probably operates on the fringes of space society where you still need to pay your way, but seriously-- a cigar-smoking rogue? Can't Trek do better than that? I did get a kick out of his multiple emergency holograms, though. I wonder if his Emergency Intercourse Hologram also looks just like himself. So, if we keep in mind that the cyberneticist also has a grudge against Starfleet or the Federation, this is apparently going to be the League of Disgruntled Employees. I didn't really want to see Starfleet and the Federation portrayed as the bad guys in this series, but I found that the scenario does really speak to me, since I've been watching the younger generations abandon the liberalism of my youth for at least the past quarter century, but I really hope that we get to see some Star Trek again real soon. It certainly wasn't all painful and inappropriate cliches, though. I'm not sure if the contemporary trope of preluding the main story with a backstory-filling flashback is something I want in a Trek series, but my favorite part of the episode was definitely the glimpse back to Picard's last day in Starfleet. They did a nice job of suggesting, in just a couple of minutes screentime, that he and Raffi had an easy camaraderie and close relationship similar to he and Riker. Her use of the nickname "JL" also gave it a unique touch that made her different than his other close companions like Beverly and Riker (though I was disappointed not to hear him call her Number One). Those few moments were so sweet that I immediately wanted to see this current series replaced with one about Picard and Raffi on Enterprise with a new crew. The uniforms were also notable. They were a nice evolution of the later uniforms from DS9 and Voyager and had a proper Trek feel to them. I do prefer the more colorful uniforms over the primarily black jumpsuits, but at least those horrible gray pleated things from the horribly gray movies were nowhere to be seen. And I continue to love the Romulan caretakers. I envision one of two futures for them: Either they turn out to be moles of the Jack Flash or they will catch up with Picard out there in the universe just in time to save his ass. But now I'm leaning more toward the cyberneticist being our token mole character, despite her being the most interesting of Picard's rag-tag, off-the-grid crew. I think she was speakng the truth when she said that she didn't tell Commodore Oh that she was going with Picard-- because I'm pretty sure that Commodore Oh ordered her to go with Picard. I'm not happy with the idea of high-ranking foreign agents in Starfleet, but, oddly enough, I do hope we see a lot more of Commodore Oh. And it looks like Picard's new canine Number One won't be going with him on his latest space adventure. This is a shame, because I was hoping for a scene where, confronted with an enemy Romulan or something, Picard points and shouts, "Number One, engage!" and the formerly laid-back puppy goes for the throat. :rommie: Ah, well, on to Freecloud and Maddox. Hopefully they will do better.

Star Trek hasn't been a moneyless society for a long time.
It's not that it's been moneyless for a long time, it's that it's been contradictory for a long time (in "The Apple," Kirk talks to Spock about how much money Starfleet has invested in him, then in Voyage Home remarks about how the 20th century still has money). But it is supposed to be a post-scarcity society, though.

Ah, don't tell me you drink the "no money" Kool Aid, too?
It was more like sarcasm, actually. A moneyless society is a pretty problematic notion, in addition to the inconsistencies.

"We named the dog Number One!"[/connery]
Maybe he's had Number Ones since he was five and got a gerbil. :rommie:

Despite the tie-in comic, this episode didn't show us anything to suggest that she was his first officer on a ship. She came off very much as an aide to a flag officer.
I suppose that's more likely. It's still the scenario I'd like to see, though.

I don't like Soji as much after two eps as Dahj after one, but at least there's some interesting stuff going on with records about the Romulan ship and her 'Mom' putting her to sleep.
That cracked me up. I have pretty much the same reaction when my Mother calls. :rommie:
 
If Dahj never used her own replicator, she'd have known she wasn't human - which isn't the case. Dahj 100% believed she was a normal human girl, which means she used her replicator for her daily meals, just like everyone else. She just didn't programme much variety into the menu.

Dahj and Soji remind me of the Humanoid Cylons from BSG. They're androids but are so human-like and were certainly given backstories regarding their origins - that were certainly fabricated as records only confirmed their existence in 2396.

I guess they're similar to Number 8 (Sharon/Boomer) and the Final Five. They think they're human until something or someone activates their super-human/android abilities, just like what happened with Dahj in the premiere. Unlike Cylons, people are still debating whether they're made for good or evil. Picard & Co certainly thought they're Data's daughters that need to be saved, while others (including the Zhat Vash) think they are the bringers of disasters to mankind ("the end of all and the destroyer" as stated in the trailer).

I guess we'll find out Soji's destiny (and whether Picard can steer her to do good in spite of her likely evil origins) by the end of season 1 ;);).
 
[Edited] One of the hidden guns had to be a phaser because that guy they tied up lived after being shot.

I'm pretty sure the 'pistol' that Picard used that shot the blue bolts was a phaser (presumably, as you say, with a stun setting). I can't imagine Picard would keep Romulan disruptors in his house if they don't have stun settings.

Also, if you freeze-frame the flashbacks on Mars, you can see that the Starfleet security officers who run in to stop F8 are carrying what looks like the same pistols. So presumably these are the new Starfleet phasers. Though I'm not sure why they've gone back to a design that looks like a gun rather than the 'dustbusters'.
 
So presumably these are the new Starfleet phasers.
I don’t think so, they’re probably civilian, or something his two Romulan friends acquired.

Now this is from a flashback 14 years before the series starts, but the security trying to stop the Android on mars seem to have compact gun like phasers.
 
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Well, look at this, my friends story. It seems J.P. with his oscar award and speech gave some Star trek spirit notes.

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Really liked what we learned about the Romulans and the events of the episode. But this was an episode that really felt way too short.

I gave it a 9.
 
I saw the clip of Stewart on the View when he invited Whoopi Goldberg to appear in STP for season 2 -- a very sweet scene, BTW. There he looks a tiny bit more lined than in the Raffi scene, but far less jowly and dissipated than 94-year-old Picard.

Conclusion: they are aging Stewart up 20 years for the role using make-up and it's CGI for the "younger" Picard.

That bright, direct studio lighting will make every little line show up. The outdoors scene wasn't even that brightly lit, plus some makeup must have been used there.
 
I watched this on Friday, but I decided to rewatch the first three again now I have the internet back. What a difference high-speed connection makes. ;)

A solid 8. Better than last week's setup episode, but not as good as the opener.

I loved finally seeing Hugh. and it was fun seeing him already have a working relationship with Soji. I wonder how Seven plays into all of this? I quite like the characters we have so far, and it helps that they are well-acted.

Elnor is a stubborn northerner! :lol:
 
I watched the episode last night and loved how the episode ended! Super excited for what's next.

Nothing about the depiction of new Starfleet really bothers me, but for some reason vaping and that cigar really did. The latter especially.
 
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