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1960's and risqué clothes?

The OP acknowledged several times on page 1 of this thread that there are plenty of instances of very scantily-clad men in this show (you don’t need me to point out examples), so, not sure how this has changed to be about women only.

You’ll often see completely shirtless men but not completely shirtless women — their tummies can be bared, but not their chests! What a crazy time those 60s were!

Maybe we should talk about how often fans shame Shatner for his weight or his hair (or his age, now). I don’t think there is any other performer in all of Star Trek to have those factors brought up anywhere near as much.

That's right. Some people don't like France Nuyen's (frankly awe-inspiring) entrance in a metallic one-piece, but her male body guards had no pants on, either.

Shatner himself has a nude scene in "What are Little Girls Made Of," and two women are in the room watching. If the genders were reversed in that scene, say if Chapel were on the turntable naked and Kirk was watching, our commentators of today would be using it to excoriate the series.
 
By the 70s, things in Trek World were in full reverse and pendulums were swinging the other way
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From the women on the show, you could tell he was a womanizer. All of the women are young and attractive and all are dressed in skimpy outfits.
Where I disagree with some of your posts is the idea you seem to be expressing that just because a woman is scantily-clad in some show, that automatically means she's being objectified. I think that's up to the woman in question to decide, isn't it?

You referenced the Super Bowl halftime show. It certainly looked to me like J-Lo and Shakira were fully in charge of their production. Of their own free wills, they took the gig, wore the outfits they wore, choreographed the suggestive dance moves they performed. While I don't know them personally, I bet if you were able to ask them if they felt objectified, they would say no. They certainly seemed to be enjoying themselves during the show and in the pregame interview they gave. I believe you made a comment like it's too bad that society made them feel that they had to do these things. That's a bit condescending, isn't it? Maybe they didn't feel any societal pressure whatsoever and actually wanted to do what they did.

If a woman WANTS to be scantily-clad or nude, if a woman WANTS to express herself sexually, who are you to judge or say she's being objectified? Just because a woman is scantily-clad doesn't automatically make her objectified.

As Commishleer lays out, not ALL the women on TOS are wearing skimpy outfits, and as others have laid out, some of the men do. Star Trek provided eye candy for ratings, there's little doubt of that, and they did it both ways. There's nothing inherently wrong with eye candy so long as all parties freely agree to it.
 
The OP acknowledged several times on page 1 of this thread that there are plenty of instances of very scantily-clad men in this show (you don’t need me to point out examples), so, not sure how this has changed to be about women only.

You’ll often see completely shirtless men but not completely shirtless women — their tummies can be bared, but not their chests! What a crazy time those 60s were!

Maybe we should talk about how often fans shame Shatner for his weight or his hair (or his age, now). I don’t think there is any other performer in all of Star Trek to have those factors brought up anywhere near as much.

I think the more pressing criticism isn't what could or couldn't be show on screen per se, but the frequent lauding of Trek as being a vehicle for women's rights and choice whilst in reality being nothing of the sort in the way women on the show were actually treated. Being able to show your stomach and being able to show someone else's stomach are two very different ideas if the latter takes agency away from the person.
 
Where I disagree with some of your posts is the idea you seem to be expressing that just because a woman is scantily-clad in some show, that automatically means she's being objectified. I think that's up to the woman in question to decide, isn't it?

You referenced the Super Bowl halftime show. It certainly looked to me like J-Lo and Shakira were fully in charge of their production. Of their own free wills, they took the gig, wore the outfits they wore, choreographed the suggestive dance moves they performed. While I don't know them personally, I bet if you were able to ask them if they felt objectified, they would say no. They certainly seemed to be enjoying themselves during the show and in the pregame interview they gave. I believe you made a comment like it's too bad that society made them feel that they had to do these things. That's a bit condescending, isn't it? Maybe they didn't feel any societal pressure whatsoever and actually wanted to do what they did.

If a woman WANTS to be scantily-clad or nude, if a woman WANTS to express herself sexually, who are you to judge or say she's being objectified? Just because a woman is scantily-clad doesn't automatically make her objectified.

As Commishleer lays out, not ALL the women on TOS are wearing skimpy outfits, and as others have laid out, some of the men do. Star Trek provided eye candy for ratings, there's little doubt of that, and they did it both ways. There's nothing inherently wrong with eye candy so long as all parties freely agree to it.

Which they didn't, which is the point being made.
 

I think we all know what a miniskirt is.

The issue is whether choices made by a man can be said to represent women's liberation, especially if the women were frequently forced or coerced into complying with those choices.

Which many actresses on ST were.

And we aren't just talking about miniskirts, so let's lose the received wisdom that everything about the '60s represented progress and a break from conservatism and that a particular cut of cloth is automatically an example of feminism in action without reference to the specifics of the context.
 
I think we all know what a miniskirt is.

The issue is whether choices made by a man can be said to represent women's liberation, especially if the women were frequently forced or coerced into complying with those choices.

Which many actresses on ST were.

And we aren't just talking about miniskirts, so let's lose the received wisdom that everything about the '60s represented progress and a break from conservatism and that a particular cut of cloth is automatically an example of feminism in action without reference to the specifics of the context.

Without knowing the minds of all involved we will never know. So we will never know. Besides, wasn’t Theiss gay?
 
Without knowing the minds of all involved we will never know. So we will never know. Besides, wasn’t Theiss gay?

Not a clue, but Roddenberry certainly wasn't and we have way more than enough accounts of his behaviour to know he was anything BUT a feminist or even progressive in that regard.

He did not liberate, he abused.
 
Well I'm not sure of my facts do you see! I think he died in 1988 but then again wasn't he working on the second season of TNG as well?
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Theiss died in 1992 but he left TNG after the first season, which is a pity since his costumes were excellent. I think his unisex TNG uniforms were his greatest contributions to Star Trek.

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I think we all know what a miniskirt is.

The issue is whether choices made by a man can be said to represent women's liberation, especially if the women were frequently forced or coerced into complying with those choices.

Which many actresses on ST were.

And we aren't just talking about miniskirts, so let's lose the received wisdom that everything about the '60s represented progress and a break from conservatism and that a particular cut of cloth is automatically an example of feminism in action without reference to the specifics of the context.

I joined a ladies Gym in the '80's.
I went to work
Out in sweat pants and a colored t-shirt.
A couple of times.
Then someone at the club came up and told me, as I was heading in to work out, that I needed to dress better.
Now it's not like I was dirty and smelly, I wasn't wearing my brother's old t-shirts and sweat pants.
I had on something like colorful sweat pants and a matching t-shirt. (Colorful)
But they wanted the women in the club, which by the way had solid (the entire side ) widows on either two or three sides, to dress in those asinine spandex, sweat inducing, smelly, slutty looking outfits. (Trio and Dr. Crusher in the mirrored work out room) (someone can please attach some pictures)
My friend that got me involved at the gym convinced my to buy a couple of the slut outfits. The outfits were not comfortable and made parts of my body sweat that, up until that point, I'd never known had sweat glands.
It wasn't my choice to dress that way.
Probably there were other women there that felt just the same as I did. We were shamed into 'fitting in'.
So when you see women dressed in the skimpy outfits, it's not always their choice.
 
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