Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"

[Greg Cox]

I've seen hatless Amish. I don't know if it's status or something. To tell you the truth I don't know much about their idiosyncrasies.

I live in Amish country. Don't claim to be an expert, but I don't believe the men are required to wear hats. You see hatless Amish dudes all the time, at the local farmer's markets, doing carpentry work, etc. Heck, there was a crew of Amish workers doing repairs on the house next door just this morning. They were hammering and sawing away without any hats. I suspect the Amish wear hats for the same reason most folks do: to protect their heads from the sun and elements when they're outdoors.

It's just that they're required to wear a certain kind of hat . . . if they need a hat.

 

[Reverend]

On the subject of anachronistic turns of phrases versus hokey-sounding future equivalents, I actually wrestled with this a while back. What was better: "she said, adding her two cents" or "she said, adding her two credits"?

The former is arguably anachronistic, but the latter seemed to call attention to itself in a distracting way.

In end, I went with "two cents" because it felt more natural. "Two credits" sounded kinda silly.

In the case of PICARD, would it have really worked better to have him say something like "Don't terminate this call"? That sounds clunky to me, not to mention self-consciously sci-fi.

If it were me; I'd go with "...adding her two bits", since it works for both old coinage and data storage.

But yeah, as a general rule of thumb it's best to stick with what's proven to have stuck around way past it's modern relevance. Same reason why the original Star Wars has a timeless quality; most of the outfits (among other things) are such that they wouldn't look out of place 200 or 2000 years ago.

 

[Discofan]

We don't want this thread to jump the shark.


#Ayyyyyyyyyyy

That one comes from "Happy Days" where the main character (Fonzie) actually jumps a shark toward the end of the series.

 

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[jaime]

On the subject of anachronistic turns of phrases versus hokey-sounding future equivalents, I actually wrestled with this a while back. What was better: "she said, adding her two cents" or "she said, adding her two credits"?

The former is arguably anachronistic, but the latter seemed to call attention to itself in a distracting way.

In end, I went with "two cents" because it felt more natural. "Two credits" sounded kinda silly.

In the case of PICARD, would it have really worked better to have him say something like "Don't terminate this call"? That sounds clunky to me, not to mention self-consciously sci-fi.

Should have gon with added her tuppence worth xD

 

[jaime]

Different idiom. Same "problem".

That's why I live where I do. Bon fires are great community events and meet and greet with the neighbors.

Though, I don't think we call it a "smoke signal."

As to the use of anachronistic terms, "fuck" is probably among the oldest, dating back to the 16th century. So, some turns of phrase apparently never go out of style...

‘Don’t DX me!’ (Disconnect) or ‘Dont disconnect!’ Probably would would have been fine,

And since Avengers got away with quim, one can only assume we can go even older than fuck, and Picard is into his classics.

Queynte needs to be used or it’s all clearly wrong.

Probably in conversation with Riker.

 

[Alan Roi]

That one comes from "Happy Days" where the main character (Fonzie) actually jumps a shark toward the end of the series.

That event happened during the Season 5 premiere in Sept. 1977. Happy Days ran for another 7 years finally bowing out in Sept. 1984. Any Star Trek series should be so lucky.

 

[Hythlodeus]

As to the use of anachronistic terms, "fuck" is probably among the oldest, dating back to the 16th century. So, some turns of phrase apparently never go out of style...

Is it really that anachronistic? I mean, have we ever stopped fucking?

 

[Pindar]

The phrase dates back to the earliest phones, so I’m not sure it counts as contemporary. But it is persistent

Indeed, wehave been using "hang up" for over 140 years at this point.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Is it really that anachronistic? I mean, have we ever stopped fucking?

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[Pindar]

Just a random thought, did Caler, Dahj's boyfriend say or suggest he was also at the Daystrom institute.

He seemed to suggest he was with his lunch table joke.

If so was he put with Dahj possibly by Maddox?

I will answer my own question by saying no, we will never anything about him again.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

The show is shway!

 

[Alan Roi]

That's why I live where I do. Bon fires are great community events and meet and greet with the neighbors.

Though, I don't think we call it a "smoke signal."

As to the use of anachronistic terms, "fuck" is probably among the oldest, dating back to the 16th century. So, some turns of phrase apparently never go out of style...

"Sour grapes" has been in use for well over 2,000 years. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Jean Luc to use it, all things considered.

 

[BillJ]

Personally, I'd use a phrase like "adding their two cents worth" when describing a scene from Kirk's or McCoy's POV, but would balk if the scene was being told from Spock's POV. That would be jarring, even if it wasn't literally dialogue issuing from his mouth.

I think the only time someone used something that would be anachronistic that really caught (and still catches) my attention is Spock's use of "hot pursuit" in "Arena".

 

[AlanC9]

That event happened during the Season 5 premiere in Sept. 1977. Happy Days ran for another 7 years finally bowing out in Sept. 1984. Any Star Trek series should be so lucky.

Well, "jumped the shark" is usually used to signal a decline in quality, without necessarily having anything to do with popularity. Put another way, jumping the shark is the point which it's acceptable to start sneering at the show, and maybe also anybody still watching it.

 

[Greg Cox]

I think the only time someone used something that would be anachronistic that really caught (and still catches) my attention is Spock's use of "hot pursuit" in "Arena".

I'll concede that Kirk's reference to little boys dipping little girls' pigtails in inkwells was pushing it a bit.

 

[plynch]

Personally, I'd use a phrase like "adding their two cents worth" when describing a scene from Kirk's or McCoy's POV, but would balk if the scene was being told from Spock's POV. That would be jarring, even if it wasn't literally dialogue issuing from his mouth.

Thanks for your level of care for your readers' experience. At first I thought [simplistically it turns out] that narrator just stays true to reader's timeframe so as to be unobtrusive. Very interesting.

 

[AlanC9]

IIRC Kirk had a fondness for metaphors that would have been old-fashioned even in 1966.

 

[Greg Cox]

IIRC Kirk had a fondness for metaphors that would have been old-fashioned even in 1966.

Heck, McCoy's nickname derives from "sawbones, reflecting an era in which TV audiences were awash with westerns, but is so dated today that the reboot movies felt obliged to provide a new explanation for it!

 

[Alan Roi]

IIRC Kirk had a fondness for metaphors that would have been old-fashioned even in 1966.

Not a surprise given most of the people writing his dialogue were born between 1910 and 1930.