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Meet the Characters of Star Trek: Picard

*bursting bubble* (I feel kinda mean now.) Sir Patrick is shorter than I am by now, and I'm 5'8''. He is definitely shrinking (first time I met him he was slightly taller than me, second time he was my height and last time I saw him he had to look up a little). ;)

Weird. Stewart absolutely has not developed the stooping gait that a lot of old people get. I guess he's just compressing a lot in the spine area.
 
Weird. Stewart absolutely has not developed the stooping gait that a lot of old people get. I guess he's just compressing a lot in the spine area.

He has said that he's shrinking, so he's definitely aware of it. I think people don't notice things THAT openly because his shoulders have always been "slumped forward" slightly and people are just used to him looking like that. (He had to have surgery a little while ago because his shoulders are so unevenly spaced in general, one shoulder is higher than the other, so there are definitely numerous issues going on.) His way of walking has definitely changed slightly, but, of course, he's still doing a lot of personal training and all, so he's really in great shape still. :)
 
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[ QUOTE="Mondragon, post: 13207936, member: 79311"]Interesting very loose recurring parallels between the four main new rogue crew members of La Sirena.
and the characters of Gene Roddenberry's original 1964 StarTrek pitch:
Side by side bellow.

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-(Obviously the pitch description of "Number one became Majel Barrett's character in the pilot ep, then for the series some aspects went to the revamped Spock, and the "Dark...Nile Valley" aspect to Uhura, although as per the new series set up, she is analogues of his once new #1 in Raffi Musiker:

-The navigator José Ortega character was dropped from the pilot, (interesting (to me) Roddenberry envisioned a latino lead in the first crew in 1964, yet the studio didn't actually bring it about till over 30 years after with arguably Chakotay and B'elanna). For the new series the analogue is now pilot Chris Rios.

Continued: The emotional Spock expressing "catlike curiosity over anything alien" which we first saw in the smiling emotional Spock of the pilot episode, was obviously dropped for series, and Spock was instead merged with the personality of the removed Number One of the pilot. Yet the "emotional" and somewhat curious catlike Vulcans would be the later revealed Romulans, who we see in Elnor in the new series.

And the Yeoman "colt" pretty much appeared as is in the pilot, other than maybe the "researcher" aspect, only visually similar to Agnes Jurati, so far described as “a researcher, and someone ‘who’s confused with her place in the world.'

Do the four "new" rogue crew members seem to be a somewhat re-purposed throwbacks to Roddenberry's 4 original crew pitch?
Coincidence? :[/QUOTE]

This looks like it lines up surprisingly well. I'll look out for these similarities when the series premieres to see how much of this is the case. But I'm leaning toward I think you just uncovered a really good find. If Larry Chabon really has been a huge Trekkie since the '70s, it might not be a coincidence.
Thanks, (continued here since it got swallowed in the other thread). Just posted it as a curiosity, How deep Chabon (even as a fan) went, if he even read Roddenberry's original 1964 pitch of characters I’d love to know. Used them consciously or subconsciously was even aware I’d be curious to know if it’s any more than a coincidence.

If anything as the show runs, and characters are expanded on, actually developed, they will by nature drift even further, as the pitch were just ideas put down by Roddenberry, not ever fully realized characters, just a very loose starting templates Even then there is just a very slight overlap.
The whole point is to take these once familiar templates, into a very different almost unrecognizable direction.

Of course it excludes the principal new character Dahj, although she's not so much part of the "crew" as she is the passenger.(cargo) of their mission.
This is the new “crew” that he puts together..... .to save her.
I can't help but see these familiar Roddenberry character analogues as the starting point, that they'll then use to take them in an all new direction.
 
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LOL! Maybe.
Although which main crew am i roughly describing here? Roddenbery's pitch cast or Chabon's analogues?
(again very loose templates) :
-His somewhat slim Dark...Nile Valley like, austere female Number One
-The rakish Latino male pilot of the ship.
-The serene almost catlike pointy-eared alien. (emotional Vulcan = Romulan)
-and the perky short haired white female academic researcher,

And if these 4 character descriptions are suposedly just randomly coincidental and vague.
Can they similarly be applied to any other crew(ensemble)? ;)
Or just "coincidentally' these two.
 
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I think if Michael Chabon is really as deep of a Trekkie as he says he is, then he did his research. If he wants to push forward, he has to know where Star Trek has been. If he wants to turn Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek on its ear, putting the Federation in a different place from what it was, he'd want to take the time to look at what Gene Roddenberry originally had in mind. There's what he thought with TOS, what he thought with Phase II and TMP (the forerunners of TNG), and finally TNG. Then look at things as they were when we last saw the TNG Era. So he'd know what the foundations are and where things were when we left off. He might want to look at what Gene Roddenberry wanted to do that he didn't get to do. Or how what he wanted would work under changed circumstances. Either way, as a novelist and as a fan, I expect he would've done his homework on the subject matter. Especially being as acclaimed as he is. He's of a high caliber.

So some of what I think he would've looked at, to get inside Gene Roddenberry's mind, would be his notes, including character outlines. So I have good reason to believe he might've seen these character descriptions and thought, "They never did anything with _____ in any of the other six series, so why don't we?"
  • The Latin character, for instance, his description is pretty specific, and none of what he describes comes across in Jose Tyler in "The Cage", so it's essentially an unrealized character.
  • With Number One, I'd argue that Short Treks' "Q&A" was really the first time that she's ever had a chance to truly shine. So, once again, a largely unrealized character.
  • The original conception of Spock is different from what he became in TOS, so Elnor could be closer to the rough concept without being like the Spock we actually got.
  • The Yeoman is the most '60s of Gene Roddenberry's characters described here, but Jurati can be an assistant to Picard who's also a researcher. Picard looks like he's gathered a lot of muscle for this mission, but she's someone who can be more analytical.
I can't know until I watch the actual series, and can see how closely the new characters match the ones in the 1964 outline but, absent of actually seeing it, an argument looks like it can be made.
 
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I think if Michael Chabon is really as deep of a Trekkie as he says he is, then he did his research. If he wants to push forward, he has to know where Star Trek has been. If he wants to turn Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek on its ear, putting the Federation in a different place from what it was, he'd want to take the time to look at what Gene Roddenberry originally had in mind. ....He might want to look at what Gene Roddenberry wanted to do that he didn't get to do. Or how what he wanted would work under changed circumstances. Either way, as a novelist and as a fan, I expect he would've done his homework on the subject matter. Especially being as acclaimed as he is. He's of a high caliber..
Agree.
I can't know until I watch the actual series, and can see how closely the new characters match the ones in the 1964 outline but, absent of actually seeing it, an argument looks like it can be made.
Agree with much of your assessment , and how Chabon seems like someone who would likely look well into the past for insight into Rodenbary's vision, and that would include these brief character notes from his original 1964 pitch.
And also can't help but see them as somewhat loosely analogues too and re-purposed for these four new characters.
However as far as them matching further than that, again; If anything as the show runs, and characters are expanded on, actually developed, they will by nature drift even further. As the pitch were just ideas put down by Roddenberry, not ever fully realized characters, just a very loose starting templates.
If anything the point would be to take these templates, yet as you describe move them toward a very different almost unrecognizable situation and direction.
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So episode 1 gave us the intro of Jurati, and picking up on a few new revealing character moments in the new Season trailer ^, which somewhat reveals how character interaction and conflict is being set up for the season.

-Jurati as expected is the perky (and maybe over enthusiastic) academic, being played as out of sorts and completley out of place among the rest of the roguish crew.
This is highlighted as the ship goes to warp the way she braces in her chair, this is not her milieu. Right away we see her upbeat perkiness will wear on Raffi.
-Raffii who right away questions the idea of Agnes even being brought on board LOL!, You know there will be tension there. Which also reveals a somewhat cold stern and sarcastic side to Raffi.
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-Most hysterical are the shots of Rios just circling around and avoiding the confrontation altogether, like he just don't give a damn about any of it LOL!, ...and his "can we go already!."
And he's clearly going to be butting heads with Picard, and doesn't want to hear any of Picards moralizing and speechifying. :D
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There will be major tension built here.
The most enigmatic one remains Elnor, which is likely exactly how they'll play him at first, mysterious, and just silently stepping in to defend Picard when necessary.
Where this loyalty and investment in the mission stems from, remains to be seen, and what I'm most curious about?
 
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LOL! Maybe.
Although which main crew am i roughly describing here? Roddenbery's pitch cast or Chabon's analogues?
(again very loose templates) :
-His somewhat slim Dark...Nile Valley like, austere female Number One
-The rakish Latino male pilot of the ship.
-The serene almost catlike pointy-eared alien. (emotional Vulcan = Romulan)
-and the perky short haired white female academic researcher,

And if these 4 character descriptions are suposedly just randomly coincidental and vague.
Can they similarly be applied to any other crew(ensemble)? ;)
Or just "coincidentally' these two.

Sometimes I think I come across like a crank. I really do enjoy reading theories that take ridiculously deep dive into the lore, history and mythology of a show.

But, in this case, I think these are just coincidence.

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Twitter is just over the moon with excitement about Seven of Nine coming back (The latest hashtag: #7of9lives :luvlove: ).
 
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Lol Rios - bottle of whiskey / rum? on the dash, and Sirena tattoo., ...and whatever his "doc" is hooking him up with. :D (or is he getting another tattoo?)
I think it's safe to say, Starfleet protocol is well behind him.
 
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I'm getting an Alien: Resurrection and the crew of the Betty vibe out of the La Sirena. Not in the exact characters but that's kind of what I think the atmosphere will be like. Though Dr. Jurati could've been on the Prometheus in this comparison.

Not a negative from my perspective. I'm one of five people who likes Alien: Resurrection and Prometheus.
 
Loved the intro of Raffi:
“Okay, you need someone who hates you and has nothing to lose."
I already put in the call,

I think it's significant while the old crew's loyalty is unquestionable, they have a reputation, he's not willing to jeopardize , or sacrifice.
While this new crew is implied, as having nothing to loose.
Pretty much tells you where we're heading with them.

Great new set up.
 
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