Today's puritanical stuff can go back in it's box for all or what I care! The outfits in Star Trek were fantastic! Much better than anything in the movies or in the many other Trek series for my money! 
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1960's and risqué clothes?
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See, I even liked that they made a comeback in TNG season 1 (and, more recently, in the 2009 movies and Star Trek: Discovery). Not because it's in canon or a relic of lore or whatnot, but because I think they're a cool fashion statement, and a great way for an individual to show some personality. Particularly in TNG, having the skant be a gender neutral clothing item was really cool, suggesting that wearing or not wearing it was up to the individual. It's pretty enlightened. We do see women officers in TOS, both in the pilot episodes and in background scenes through mainly the first season, wearing miniskirts and pants interchangably, so it seems clear to me that in-universe or out, it's a personal choice thing. 
I thought it was rather cool that in Marvel Comics' Star Trek: Early Voyages (depicting adventures in the Pike era) they showed a skirt variant of The Cage era uniforms for women. It suggested that the skirt uniform was there even before the uniform redesign of about a decade later (in universe).
Today's puritanical stuff can go back in it's box for all or what I care! The outfits in Star Trek were fantastic! Much better than anything in the movies or in the many other Trek series for my money!
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Exactly. I thought we were supposed to be more progressive in the future. But we're just more prudish.
She could have worn a burlap bag and looked good, she was gorgeous!
She could have started a trend.
I wish she had.....
I am unfamiliar with that.
Did they gave the command males wearing miniskirts?
I never have noticed in TOS or TNG any
Males at all wearing a mini, in TOS and never a 'speaking part ' make wearing one in TNG.
Woman wore pants in just a few episodes (not really interchangeably - although we can choose to think it was optional) and I doubt GR was liberating women by suggesting that Andrea's top be smaller.See, I even liked that they made a comeback in TNG season 1 (and, more recently, in the 2009 movies and Star Trek: Discovery). Not because it's in canon or a relic of lore or whatnot, but because I think they're a cool fashion statement, and a great way for an individual to show some personality. Particularly in TNG, having the skant be a gender neutral clothing item was really cool, suggesting that wearing or not wearing it was up to the individual. It's pretty enlightened. We do see women officers in TOS, both in the pilot episodes and in background scenes through mainly the first season, wearing miniskirts and pants interchangably, so it seems clear to me that in-universe or out, it's a personal choice thing.
Maybe I'm the wrong person to say this but I think the ladies looked just as attractive in pants.
However overall judging all the Star Trek series I'd say in general the ladies in TOS were the most attractive because of theirr hair, the stupid soft focus and their outfits.
Don't even start me on the skant. It was awful, awful, awful and just not cool. Even Troi looked awful in the skant. Saying that the long dress uniform in TNG was perfectly fine.
It was on a rewatch. Originally I never noticed but when you've seen it a few times you start looking for things and I thought it was just a one-off but episode after episode in the first season. I haven't rewatched the later seasons that much. By S6 and S7 I think shes pretty much in a regular uniform.Can't say I remember the cameras being centred on Troi's boobs? Either that or I was more taken with her black eyes and thinking about how painful they must have been for Marina to wear!
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No. They simply projected the TOS uniform design concepts for women backwards into the Pike era to suggest women had a choice for quite sometime (in universe). The characters wearing the skirt were not just background ones. Although Number One and Yeoman Colt retained the tunic and trousers some of the featured female characters with speaking parts wore the skirt variant. I believe Nurse Carlotti was one of them.
I think that Commishsleer means that Marina Sirtis' closeups in the earlier seasons of TNG often framed her so that both her face and her neckline were in frame. Like this. Or this. Or this. Even in a group shot like this Sirtis' chest is front & center. There weren't any full-on closeups of just her chest that I can recall.Can't say I remember the cameras being centred on Troi's boobs? Either that or I was more taken with her black eyes and thinking about how painful they must have been for Marina to wear!
And yeah, I think they improved on that when she wasn't wearing the cleavage-displaying uniform any longer.
She's quite an attractive woman, you know I've never noticed before! 
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I don't know if you noticed, but as you make your way across your links, her cleavage gets progressively deeper. Are they in production order?
I did.She's quite an attractive woman, you know I've never noticed before!
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I'm [not] aware of too many of those in TOS.
But a lot of us are, because we are Star Trek fans
Even on this topic, the canon status of the FJSFTM is up for debate, lol! I'm going to be a bit of a revolutionary and say that it may be one of the best Star Trek products ever made, not because it is/is not accurate, but because it can be the jumping point for so much evaluation of possiblites canon status of other parts of the show.
EDIT: it's supposed to say "not aware of too many of those" in TOS
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And Odona. There's no way that the scene where they walk out of his fake quarters giggling like kids means anything else.
Tyree and Nona as well, and "the Craters," who certainly had an interesting marital dynamic going for them by the time the Enterprise arrived. No bedrooms in either case, although actually, those cave scenes in PLW feature some thought-provoking sleeping arrangements.
In a thread filled with great observations, it's T'Bonz who tops everyone with this gem.Agreed. I did, however, really like the DS9/VOY uniforms. I was pleased that the TNG movies adopted the same idea as well, with the color change. The TNG uniforms don't excite me nearly as much and unfortunately, based on advance pics of PIC (heh), it looks like they moved the rank pips to the breast instead of the collar, which I don't like. I'm saving several episodes for a binge so no spoilers in response, please. (I'm sure there's a policy similar to whatever is in place for DISC discussion, but I forget what that is.)
And they even supplied a Watsonian reason for the change. In "Chain of Command, Part I," Jellico tells her he prefers her in a standard uniform for formality on the bridge. She rarely if ever wore the tight contraptions after that. And in what should have been a surprise to no one she looked wonderful in the duty uniform.
I'm with you on that. I don't worry about whether it's strictly accurate either. I don't think there's anything in there that has ever struck me as wildly out of joint with Star Trek on screen.
Grace has said in so many words that her uniform was a skort, meaning the shorts were built in. FJ's daughter created the uniform pattern, if I recall, and she just didn't know this.
And Odona. There's no way that the scene where they walk out of his fake quarters giggling like kids means anything else.
Tyree and Nona as well, and "the Craters," who certainly had an interesting marital dynamic going for them by the time the Enterprise arrived. No bedrooms in either case, although actually, those cave scenes in PLW feature some thought-provoking sleeping arrangements.
Agreed. I did, however, really like the DS9/VOY uniforms. I was pleased that the TNG movies adopted the same idea as well, with the color change. The TNG uniforms don't excite me nearly as much and unfortunately, based on advance pics of PIC (heh), it looks like they moved the rank pips to the breast instead of the collar, which I don't like. I'm saving several episodes for a binge so no spoilers in response, please. (I'm sure there's a policy similar to whatever is in place for DISC discussion, but I forget what that is.)
And they even supplied a Watsonian reason for the change. In "Chain of Command, Part I," Jellico tells her he prefers her in a standard uniform for formality on the bridge. She rarely if ever wore the tight contraptions after that. And in what should have been a surprise to no one she looked wonderful in the duty uniform.
I'm with you on that. I don't worry about whether it's strictly accurate either. I don't think there's anything in there that has ever struck me as wildly out of joint with Star Trek on screen.
Sorry my typing error probably made the first point of my post sound like the opposite of what I meant.
What is really odd about Troi's outfits is how much they look like they should be uniforms, and yet she is the only one wearing them. Find a screenshot of her season 2 red outfit from the chest up, at it looks like she is wearing something like Uhura could wear in the earlier series.
The TMP uniforms were something similar to early TNG, too, but with a different template.
A basic rule of costuming, if it's supposed to be taken seriously as something practical as well as aesthetically pleasing: Always construct it so it's easy to go to the bathroom while wearing it.
One year, a friend of mine through some stuff together for a convention costume, and the foundation of it was a dance leotard. She added some panels of fabric, some jewelry, and a ton of gold sparkly hair spray (I was still finding that glitter crap in my own costume stuff weeks later, since it got everywhere in the hotel room).
She looked great... until she had to use the bathroom and realized that she'd have to take everything off to do it.
That's a practical reason why there are some periods in history when women didn't wear undergarments that went between the legs. It's much easier to answer a call of nature when there's less fabric and fewer layers to maneuver. Women's fashions have gone through some bizarre changes over the years, but have generally gone in the direction of making bathroom breaks easier to manage.
Then Grace is wrong. There are panty shots in TOS. Not many of them but they are there. They are panties. Not shorts. Gamesters of Triskellion comes to mind, when Uhura is knocked to the ground. In the cell area I believe.
The "panties" would seem to made of a material similar to the skirt it's self. A heavier material than most underwear.
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