Spoilers So I guess nobody's going to mention...

The Remans were probably one of the silliest ideas Star Trek ever had. Let’s make a Romulan slave race that we’re supposed to feel some kind of sympathy for, but let’s also make them look like super scary Nosferatu-vampire rejects with the power to enter someone’s mind (probably not a good quality to have for a race you’re trying to control) and dress them in villain outfits straight from a Tim Burton Batman movie.

Yeah, if STP never mentions them, I won’t miss it.

 

You forgot the part where one of them helps clone Picard basically rape Troi.

Jason

 

So I guess nobody’s going to mention anything from DS9 1x10 “Move Along Home”? We’re already 46 minutes into Star Trek: Picard and there hasn’t been a single “Allamarain.”

If you can see, come with me.

 

I don't feel that we were really supposed to feel too much sympathy for the Remans. Now, if their only actions were to take over Romulus and not have plans (or at least go along with Shinzon's plans) to destroy Earth and/or the Federation, then maybe there would be more sympathy.

 

Yeah, they never struck me as very sympathetic. Actually, I feel more sympathy for some of the orcs from LOTR trilogy than the Remans.

 

Thanks, that made me laugh.

 

Yup. Hardcore fans can get all the detail they want. As long as the main narrative is told on screen well enough for both hards and casuals, that's what counts.

 

But that is their inherent problem: if we're not supposed to have sympathy for them, then why make such a big deal that they're a slave race under the brutal occupation of the Romulans? Why not just make them random alien henchmen/cannon fodder?

Oh, wait, that's exactly what they were anyway...

 

They might get mentioned or even seen. I doubt that Remus was left completely unevacuated before the supernova destroyed it and at least some Remans made it to safety.

If ENT can show them and in a timeframe more than 200 years prior to NEM then I don't see why PIC can't show us a Reman as proof that the rescue effort was concerned with both planets.

 

The show is definitely going with "diverse Romulans", and doesn't have a shoestring makeup budget. A Reman appearing just for the shits and giggles is actually more likely than not, even if (and probably even though) this will not feature into any plot in any manner and will not be commented on in any fashion.

Timo Saloniemi

 

Actually I totally expect a Reman mention or maybe even seeing a few of them.

 

I suspect there's a bunch of them hiding under Vasquez Rocks. As masters of the night we won't see them, but as Picard walks past we'll hear faint sounds of latex and pleather grinding and squeaking and we'll know they're there.

 

They had their clothes stolen by Xindi-Reptillians. They'll probably be naked.

 

This is more or less my theory and why the remaining number of evacuees was "900 million" which everyone and their grandmother has pointed out seems too small a number to refer to the total population of Romulus.

Because it isn't!

 

A-freaking-men. The Remans are utterly stupid and belong on the ash heap of dropped/abandoned concepts. Not everything needs a reference in this new show anyway!!

 

Sure the Remans are silly but so are most of the things in Discovery. I imagined they saved themselves.

 

Remans are no sillier than any other aliens in Trek.

 

At least they nicely fit the theme of Romulans always acting by proxy.

(Not a Roman thing: those guys got quite hands-on and personal with the folks they fought and conquered; loved to brag about it; and their armies may have largely consisted of conquered folks but not of proxy legions with a deniability or untouchability aspect.)

But I think Romulan proxy legions as a concept work the better, the less they look like Vulcans. And I don't think we needed any sympathy angle in NEM. Shinzon's tears always were crocodile ones: we weren't supposed to mistake him for a genuine idealistic freedom fighter any more than our protagonists did. His dismissal of the folks he supposedly fought for was a big part of his character. (Too bad that we never really got the other parts and never could tell what really made him tick.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

We didn't hear of them until Nemesis. So that means they're silly or something.

 

True but the planet is mentioned in Balance of Terror. Plus you see some in Enterprise.