Spoilers So I guess nobody's going to mention...

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by StarTrek1701, Jan 27, 2020.

  1. StarTrek1701

    StarTrek1701 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    ...the Romulan underclass, their slaves and their neighbouring planet's population - the REMANS - in this show?
    Or are their lives not as important as the Romulan ones?
    I mean, they had an entire movie focussed on them (ST:Nemesis), but before or after that they were never mentioned again, apart from brief non-speaking roles on Enterprise.
    If ST:P is drumming up the drama about Starfleet's lack of morality for not rescuing Romulans, at least a brief mention of how the Remans might be doing would elevate the aspect of this show, wouldnt it?

    Or was Nemesis really that bad that Star Trek fandom and creators alike would like to forget that? :p
     
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  2. Lord Garth

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    We've only seen one episode so far. I think they might be mentioned. The ship has sailed on Picard forgetting about Nemesis. I'd say by turning NEM into a prequel to PIC, they've redeemed it in a way.
     
  3. fireproof78

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    One episode in and already complaints they haven't name dropped enough prior works?

    What in the world?
     
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  4. Philip Guyott

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    It's only been one episode. The countdown comic for the series was dealing with the issue of Admiral Picard trying to save non-Romulan's. We will have to wait and see.
     
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  5. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    The tie-in comics address exactly that.
     
  6. KennyB

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    Wow, as mentioned, tie in comics address it........it was a MAJOR point for Picard. We are 1 hour into a 10 hour show, maybe wait a bit before concluding they don't deal with it.
     
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  8. Timo

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    ...Also, they let a miner's wife die. I doubt they'd give any evacuation seats to slaves. Of any of the potentially dozens of species or cultures of slaves. In-universe, it's hardly a problem if nobody specifies a particular group of undesirables as no longer being around.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  9. Anna Yolei

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    Yes ;)
    But also, it's been exactly one (1) episode. And TBH, I wouldn't mind it if we didn't adhere to ever bit of minutiae about the 24th century universe in general. This is a great opportunity to move Trek forward in storytelling the right way and if they're just gonna Manny Coto the fuck outta this show by stuffing every bit of TNG fanservice into this show, I'd wonder WTF was even the point. I didn't even want TNG Parts 2 and 3 on UPN the first time and I'd sure as fuck wouldn't pay for it.
     
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  10. DaveyNY

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    My guess is that the Elite Class of Romulans, had already evacuated the planet before they even began asking for assistance from the Federation.

    They told the general populace that there weren't enough ships for everybody, but not to worry...
    The wonderful "Federation" will come to their rescue.

    Then they skulked off and never looked back.
     
  11. ALF

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    Remans are definitely an underclass, I assume the dilithum miners were used as slave labor but there were also the warriors of the class who became Shinzon's bodyguards. But yes, Remans lives aren't regarded as as important as the Romulan ones and it would be fascinating to see Star Trek: Picard take a chapter to explore what happened to them.
     
  12. Timo

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    And perhaps even more fascinating for PIC to only ever discuss the sad fates of the Trachians and the Illyrians who were famously oppressed slaves to the Roman... uh, Romulan Empire. Among the numerous unmentioned others.

    We'd also finally learn where the ale and the forehead ridges came from!

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  13. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Commodore Commodore

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    What? Where was it stated that those species were conquered by the romulans? Certainly doesn't say that in those pages you linked.
     
  14. Timo

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    You just have to type them in the real Wikipedia...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    Agony_Boothb Commodore Commodore

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    ah now i understand
     
  16. Grendelsbayne

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    Picard could potentially do something interesting with them if they want, but I personally would be quite happy to have the Remans remain entirely forgotten for all time. Nemesis was one of the worst Trek movies, but there were still specific parts of it that were much worse than other specific parts of it. Shinzon and the Remans among them.
     
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  17. F. King Daniel

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    I'm sure the Remans will be mentioned or seen. The Countdown comic deals with another slave race on a Romulan world within the supernova blast radius and it's hard to feature so much of Nemesis while ignoring other parts.
     
  18. Serveaux

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    After the events of Nemesis, the Romulans took control of their government back from the Remans and slaughtered them all.
     
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    They deserved to die for being dumb looking and messing with our canon seeing as how we never even heard of them before. I hope someday the same fate happens for those guys Quark was trying to buy tullyberry wine from which was just muscular humans with painted faces in season 2.


    Jason
     
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  20. Timo

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    Would Remans have control? Of government, or anything much? None of Shinzon's Reman "brothers" were seen in positions of power. Folks from the Romulan military were. Remans just worked the villain ship and died in droves, much like they had been doing for untold generations.

    The history of, say, China is full of slave and peasant revolts. Many were fantastically successful. In none did the slaves or peasants get to rule...

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