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Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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Picard has the built-in sweetener and ease of having a massively popular existing main character returning, being played by the same legendary actor who played him originally. It also avoids the incredible difficulties Discovery faced right out of the gate trying to be a TOS prequel, in effect irritating any TOS fans who don't want any change and simultaneously irritating the TNG era fans who wanted something post-Nemesis because (insert stupid rationale about how Star Trek must go forward).

I think the difference is, for me, that the Picard story feels like a natural outgrowth of the TNG mythos. Discovery never felt like an outgrowth of anything from TOS. It felt like it was bolted onto TOS in an attempt to drive subscriptions. And, yes, I understand that is exactly what Picard is here to do, just it feels like a far more natural evolution of the franchise, at this point.

With Picard, you also avoid the wrath of all the indignant white males who feel as though their identities are threatened by the very existence of a character like Michael Burnham, and you certainly don't need to deal with that baggage and agenda-driven bias with Picard

You're spot on here.
 
In regards to the number of producers/Co-producers listed in the opening credits.

It's only more noticeable now since they're in the opening credits, in the old treks, they were flashed during the actual show, usually when people would be too distracted by other things on screen.

Voyager - Scorpion Part 2 for example, had 10
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1221115131981189123
Good thread. The main difference now is the various additional production companies (Secret Hideout/Roddenberry) which add a few more. It's that everyone is called some variant of 'producer' even though that title can cover a multitude of roles.
 
I think the difference is, for me, that the Picard story feels like a natural outgrowth of the TNG mythos. Discovery never felt like an outgrowth of anything from TOS. It felt like it was bolted onto TOS in an attempt to drive subscriptions. And, yes, I understand that is exactly what Picard is here to do, just it feels like a far more natural evolution of the franchise, at this point.

It's built on very pulp mystery cliche, Crustly older character meets young mysterious woman who asks for help and whos subsequent death get's him out of his existential rut and off investigating the mystery of who she was and conspiracy surrounding her murder. Very Dixon Hill.
 
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What was this about do we think - a clue?

Q? Borg Queen?

Interesting question. Because I assume the producers know that a good Trekkie does interprete in quite every hint. So it would be a shame if that wasn't a hint.

Q? Not the obvious choice but he might be in for a surprise.
The Borg queen? How? But on the other hand we should not think in such three-dimensional terms... :borg::vulcan::hugegrin: We will see!
 
It's built on very pulp mystery cliche, Crustly older character meets young mysterious woman who asks for help and whos subsequent death get's him out of his existential rut and off investigating the mystery of who she was and conspiracy surrounding her murder. Very Dixon Hill.
Why is it always a mysterious young woman and not a young man? Newcomer Dahj gives Picard bizarre story and he quickly believes it. Wesley, a proven crew member, tells Picard that Lore replaced Data and Picard brushes him off.
Q? Not the obvious choice but he might be in for a surprise.
On the subject of Q, strangely enough I did feel his presence in the show although I'm sure he'll never appear. Simply because, THIS is humanity's real trial. The one Q was always talking about in Encounter at Farpoint and All Good Things. The trial never ends.

The Federation becoming isolationist and cruel. Humanity turning its back on its values. This was the trial Q talked about all along. All those gimmicks in TNG by Q were to prepare Picard for this.

If anything, Q was being kind (relatively speaking) with his buffoonery (the same way Tapestry and Q Who helped Picard come to terms with his life and help prepare the Federation for the Borg respectively) while slipping Picard early warnings of what was to come that only now make sense.
 
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I think the difference is, for me, that the Picard story feels like a natural outgrowth of the TNG mythos. Discovery never felt like an outgrowth of anything from TOS. It felt like it was bolted onto TOS in an attempt to drive subscriptions. And, yes, I understand that is exactly what Picard is here to do, just it feels like a far more natural evolution of the franchise, at this point.
Alright, fair warning that this may be a longish post. But, I'm also arguing myself in to watching Picard for reasons I didn't expect...so, bear with me.

I think Discovery worked for me because I went in to with a little more limited expectations. Still had expectations because "Star Trek" but I didn't know Georgiou or Burnham. So, for me, Discovery was much more of "wait and see" attitude because I really didn't know what this era of Trek looked like for the most part. I think I was a little more opened minded. Actually, a lot more opened minded.

Now, with Season 2 you had the introduction of Pike and Spock, who are definitely known quantities. But, we hadn't seen them at this stage in their life. So, again, a little more open minded. More willing to go where the journey would take me. And, I was thinking this up, I realized that I was letting my bias against Jean-Luc Picard as a character (nothing against Patrick Stewart-seems like a very nice man) influence me about what Picard could be about.

So, my biases got the best of me, and now I'm willing to go on this journey with Picard because I have no idea what this stage of his life might be like.

Why is it always a mysterious young woman and not a young man? Newcomer Dahj gives Picard bizarre story and he quickly believes it. Wesley, a proven crew member, tells Picard that Lore replaced Data and Picard brushes him off.
One, Picard might have learned from past experience.

Two, Wesley was always considered annoying.
 
Why is it always a mysterious young woman and not a young man? Newcomer Dahj gives Picard bizarre story and he quickly believes it. Wesley, a proven crew member, tells Picard that Lore replaced Data and Picard brushes him off.

A lifetime of playing Dixon Hill on the holodeck? It is a very pulp detective plot after all.
 
The article says " highest rated of the year "; and we are only in January of 2020.;)

I'm sure it did very well and it's probably one of their highest rated shows in a while but again the way the articles written being the highest rated premier of the year in January sounds like they're really trying to play it up.

what about the part that says it’s the highest rated live + same day episode ever?
 
On the subject of Q, strangely enough I did feel his presence in the show although I'm sure he'll never appear. Simply because, THIS is humanity's real trial. The one Q was always talking about in Encounter at Farpoint and All Good Things. The trial never ends.

The Federation becoming isolationist and cruel. Humanity turning its back on its values. This was the trial Q talked about all along. All those gimmicks in TNG by Q were to prepare Picard for this.

If anything, Q was being kind (relatively speaking) with his buffoonery (the same way Tapestry and Q Who helped Picard come to terms with his life and help prepare the Federation for the Borg respectively) while slipping Picard early warnings of what was to come that only now make sense.

Wow, this a real interesting thought. Humanity's trial will never end. That is what Q said to Picard in "All Good Things". And that you felt his presence in the episode does mean something, I think. I also think the producers examined the series finale of TNG specifically. So Q could be a factor.
 
With Picard, you also avoid the wrath of all the indignant white males who feel as though their identities are threatened by the very existence of a character like Michael Burnham, and you certainly don't need to deal with that baggage and agenda-driven bias with Picard

At least until Raffi Musiker starts whoopin' ass.
 
what about the part that says it’s the highest rated live + same day episode ever?

After being forcibly dragged into the 21st century, nostalgists who are old enough to still actually watch cable TV are being treated to a near octogenarian savior who will "Make Trek Great Again" for them. I mean, the copy writes itself. It is a good start, regardless of the sentimental nostalgia piled on, but yeah, there's a reason the outpouring of relief is outsized.

"It's our most desperate hour. Save us Jean-Luc, your our only hope."
 
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More decent looking LCARS
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Could be a bit brighter.
More on the font family chosen for LCARS c. 2399:

https://twitter.com/HoeflerCo/status/1220748796101120001
 
Discovery pilot IMDB score: 7,1

Picard pilot IMDB score: 8,9

Picard has quality.

This is really weak. 7.1 is a "good" score. Better luck next time.

Even if I ended up giving every episode in the first season of PIC nothing but 9s and 10s, it's still not going to change my opinion of DSC. Which, for the record, averaged out into the 8s whenever I scored it. Not exactly what I call "I think it sucks!" and I'm not jumping on that bandwagon.
 
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