Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"
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The JJ-era and Discovery establishing shots practically looked like they just left the most famous landmarks (the Eiffel Tower, Transamerica Tower, St. Paul's, 30 St. Mary Axe etc) and filled the rest with generic skyscrapers downloaded in bulk from some 3D mesh site... I was very happy that PIC was a return to the TNG-era norm with a more organic merging the old and the new. I especially loved that shot of the 19th century rowhouses, with the only addition being the futuristic hovercars on the street.I always liked that TNG/DS9 solution of Paris. It has some futuristic buildings but is not that kind of over the top jam packed city like the ones from JJTrek or even DISCOs take on Paris.
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No production issues or changes behind the scenes and maybe just maybe a cohesive plan in regards to plot and execution always help.
Totally agree with what you are saying.
That and the fact that the main character in PICARD is in no way as reviled by many, as the main character in DISCOVERY is.
(silly though that may be)
24th century Paris is definitely a lot prettier than DSC's version of the city. I think some of the shots of Paris at the end of Season 1 were pretty and the plaza featuring the symbols of all the founding members of the Federation was a very nice nod to the rest of the franchise but yeah, the propensity with DSC and the Kelvin Timeline movies to cram every skyline full of huge futuristic skyscapers got tiresome.
He bites the capsule and the substance immediately reacts with his gums, lips and the inside of his mouth...
... Thus, Green Blood/Spittle.
(and he may have purposely built up a bunch of spit in his mouth just before crunching)
Also, about Dahj surviving by immediate transporter, I don't think she did but ...,
There is the fact that the Romulan she threw off the top of the stairs, DID get Beamed Out almost immediately.
Ok. I remember him spitting the blood first, then biting down to kill himself. In my mind that was two separate acts (i.e. he had Xenomorph blood but used poison to kill himself.)
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Yeah, I dont dislike the Burnham character I just dont care and in a way that is worse.
Dislike would at least indicate some level of engagement, I have none but some of the other characters are better and there is no doubt having Pike, Spock and Una helped S2 a lot, it was just better when they were around compared to when they were not.
He clearly makes the "grabbing the tooth" motion, the acid was just green. Once spat the acid instantly reacts with his own flesh as much as it does with hers.
It is silly, but I get it. I just identify more with Michael.
Ok, let's be fair and cut the BS. Because that's what this is when you look at it in a vacuum
Picard has the built-in sweetener and ease of having a massively popular existing main character returning, being played by the same legendary actor who played him originally. It also avoids the incredible difficulties Discovery faced right out of the gate trying to be a TOS prequel, in effect irritating any TOS fans who don't want any change and simultaneously irritating the TNG era fans who wanted something post-Nemesis because (insert stupid rationale about how Star Trek must go forward).
Picard has the immediate built-in good will of all those TNG-era fans who feel like "their" Star Trek had been sidelined after an embarrassing and impotent fizzle-out in the early 2000's. Everything since then has been based on TOS, which is the original and most marketable part of the franchise, and that surely irked many children of the 90's. Massive bias in play there.
With Picard, you also avoid the wrath of all the indignant white males who feel as though their identities are threatened by the very existence of a character like Michael Burnham, and you certainly don't need to deal with that baggage and agenda-driven bias with Picard
Also, ultimately, DIscovery went first and softened things up, quite frankly. It was first out of the gate, and was going to take FAR more arrows than anything that followed. It also had way more "I'm going to hate it just out of principle because I'm not paying for another streaming service" bad vibes than Picard will ever have, as CBSAA was just getting started back then and late adapters were screaming about "Gene's Vision belongs on broadcast TV"
Discovery also had the Axanar Debacle to contend with, and was an immediate enemy of anyone who supported that effort.
So, let's keep the environment and dynamics in mind if we're going to insist on playing the comparison game. Discovery had a much harder road to travel than Picard could ever dream of. And, everyone knows, Picard wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the paving that Discovery did ahead of it, as well as the relative success it's achieved.
And I think it's a bit early to be declaring "Picard has quality." Picard has one very good episode that faced virtually no adversity. That's it right now. Let's wait and see before we anoint it as the true rebirth of the franchise.
Man, the world today has taught us to be so binary. "Youre either with us or against us". I'm so thankful I'm not wired that way.
We can now return to our regularly scheduled Star Trek: Picard discussion!
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In regards to the number of producers/Co-producers listed in the opening credits.
It's only more noticeable now since they're in the opening credits, in the old treks, they were flashed during the actual show, usually when people would be too distracted by other things on screen.
Voyager - Scorpion Part 2 for example, had 10
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1221115131981189123
It's only more noticeable now since they're in the opening credits, in the old treks, they were flashed during the actual show, usually when people would be too distracted by other things on screen.
Voyager - Scorpion Part 2 for example, had 10
https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1221115131981189123
Just remember that when you get the episodes near the end of the arc that disappoint you TNG fans.
We’re one episode in. This thing can still crumble like the Enterprise-D warp core if you look at it the wrong way.
It's a Star Trek series. We're going to get at least one turd in Season 1.
Just remember that when you get the episodes near the end of the arc that disappoint you TNG fans.
That’s the kicker. Can they keep the story from becoming a convoluted mess and can they stick the landing.
Not so something I’d read too much into yet.
Firstly, take out all the reviews which refer to “SJWs” and the like, and Discovery’s score will jump. Picard has, so far, given such people nothing to complain about.
Secondly, the second episode of Picard is already sitting at 7.9 despite not having aired.
Honestly, if I want to compare the last three pilots, then Broken Bow was pretty much forgettable and in my book the worst Star Trek pilot ever (Farpoint has at least some good concepts). The Vulcan Hello/The Battle of the binary star seem to me now as a good entertainment, but kinda without substance and that sorta describes a lot about Discovery. Now, watching the Rememberence for the second time (with my father), I actually see it as as a both worthy sequel to 24th cetury shows and having the right mixture of mystery, heritage from the past and the present-based plot. so, yeah, the best of the three!